Fixing p&l traffic backups

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Re: Fixing p&l traffic backups

Postby StrangerThings » Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:07 pm

horizons82 wrote:
StrangerThings wrote:Do we think there would be heavy pushback from people coming downtown for events who are not regular downtown folks by closing main? People from the suburbs already think downtown is “inconvenient” and that parking is a nightmare. We all know that’s not true, they don’t.


As long as closure is coupled with installing LED directional signs on Truman, Grand, etc I think suburbanites would handle it well.


^^ Agreed, I've pushed for these types of signs for years.

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Re: Fixing p&l traffic backups

Postby KCPowercat » Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:35 pm

AEG shuts down Grand though right?

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Re: Fixing p&l traffic backups

Postby StrangerThings » Fri Jan 19, 2018 11:54 am

KCPowercat wrote:AEG shuts down Grand though right?


For their events and Cordish shuts it down for several of their own events.

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Re: Fixing p&l traffic backups

Postby swid » Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:12 pm

Are short-term street closures in P&L being pushed to map data providers? If not, that would be very good first step.

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Re: Fixing p&l traffic backups

Postby StrangerThings » Fri Jan 19, 2018 1:32 pm

swid wrote:Are short-term street closures in P&L being pushed to map data providers? If not, that would be very good first step.


They happen so often, I'm not sure. The district did just partner with Uber which is nice because they'll be directed to specific drop off/pick up points.

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Re: Fixing p&l traffic backups

Postby Critical_Mass » Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:15 pm

This will fix the problem of blocking the streetcar:
on event nights, H&R Block's garage Main St exit could be closed (enter/exit off Walnut only) and Midland's / One KC Place garage Main St exit could be closed (enter / exit off Baltimore only).

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Re: Fixing p&l traffic backups

Postby flyingember » Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:46 pm

Grand has the no turn dynamic signs around train movement.

Doing this more places so at certain intersections all turns get blocked onto Main during event traffic could help. Add the digital signs, turn them on for an event, station traffic enforcement at one corner like a DUI spot and have some parking spaces emptied out and ready for enforcement with other cops ready to hand out tickets. People will quickly learn not to ignore the signs. Kind of like the people that don't park behind the line at 5th/Grand learn if they don't they may have a train inching towards them in their path and they can back up or wait longer

The point about following GPS makes sense so let the person get to Main on Truman rd and see they can't turn onto it, that they must turn at Walnut or Baltimore. Can't stop people from using the system but it can direct them wrong and make them learn without it.

And if the signs are setup so more people end up at a nice cheap garage near a train or bus stop, that's not a bad end result

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Re: Fixing p&l traffic backups

Postby KCPowercat » Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:56 pm

Also to help main traffic...quit shutting down all the other roads around p&l ....grand, walnut, 14th, truman

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Re: Fixing p&l traffic backups

Postby KCPowercat » Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:57 pm

StrangerThings wrote:
KCPowercat wrote:AEG shuts down Grand though right?


For their events and Cordish shuts it down for several of their own events.


Stop doing this would help Main street traffic.

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Re: Fixing p&l traffic backups

Postby StrangerThings » Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:51 pm

The district never shuts down Truman, unless it's construction related. The other closures are always going to happen because pedestrian safety is priority number 1. Not to mention, several events/festivals are held on the streets. Urbana, Family Fun Days, Beer Fest, Pig and Swig and the list goes on. If there's a concert happening inside of kc live, the only street they close is 14th and that's because of the bands loading their equipment in and out. Once again, it's a safety concern.

Cordish closes Grand 2-4 times a year max. AEG shuts it down anytime they have an event, beats someone getting hit by a car.

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Re: Fixing p&l traffic backups

Postby WoodDraw » Fri Jan 19, 2018 4:47 pm

StrangerThings wrote:
swid wrote:Are short-term street closures in P&L being pushed to map data providers? If not, that would be very good first step.


They happen so often, I'm not sure. The district did just partner with Uber which is nice because they'll be directed to specific drop off/pick up points.


This is good to hear. Google, et al aren't big on changing directions just for fun. But the ride sharing companies will do designated pick up and drop off locations if you ask and have enough traffic.

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Re: Fixing p&l traffic backups

Postby DaveKCMO » Fri Jan 19, 2018 5:36 pm

StrangerThings wrote:Do we think there would be heavy pushback from people coming downtown for events who are not regular downtown folks by closing main? People from the suburbs already think downtown is “inconvenient” and that parking is a nightmare. We all know that’s not true, they don’t.


those people should be directed to better parking spaces and use the streetcar to get to their final destination. we literally made the streets smaller when we build P&L, so let's stop pretending that all of christendom can squeeze through in their SUVs for a sprint center event at the same time.

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Re: Fixing p&l traffic backups

Postby DaveKCMO » Fri Jan 19, 2018 5:36 pm

KCPowercat wrote:Also to help main traffic...quit shutting down all the other roads around p&l ....grand, walnut, 14th, truman


someone wants to vacate walnut at truman! can you believe it?

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Re: Fixing p&l traffic backups

Postby KCPowercat » Fri Jan 19, 2018 6:12 pm

StrangerThings wrote:The district never shuts down Truman, unless it's construction related. The other closures are always going to happen because pedestrian safety is priority number 1. Not to mention, several events/festivals are held on the streets. Urbana, Family Fun Days, Beer Fest, Pig and Swig and the list goes on. If there's a concert happening inside of kc live, the only street they close is 14th and that's because of the bands loading their equipment in and out. Once again, it's a safety concern.

Cordish closes Grand 2-4 times a year max. AEG shuts it down anytime they have an event, beats someone getting hit by a car.


This thread is to brainstorm ideas.... Letting streets open would improve main traffic.

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Re: Fixing p&l traffic backups

Postby KCPowercat » Sat Jan 20, 2018 2:09 am

Observing tonight, the main problem is the one kc place garage.

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Re: Fixing p&l traffic backups

Postby DaveKCMO » Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:55 am

StrangerThings wrote:The district never shuts down Truman, unless it's construction related.


between sprint center loading and constant construction, westbound truman has become pretty useless. the temporary is permanent.

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Re: Fixing p&l traffic backups

Postby DaveKCMO » Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:56 am

KCPowercat wrote:Observing tonight, the main problem is the one kc place garage.


which has a redundant entrance on baltimore! easy fix!

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Re: Fixing p&l traffic backups

Postby StrangerThings » Sat Jan 20, 2018 1:40 pm

DaveKCMO wrote:
StrangerThings wrote:The district never shuts down Truman, unless it's construction related.


between sprint center loading and constant construction, westbound truman has become pretty useless. the temporary is permanent.


There wouldn’t be a streetcar without the sprint center. You’re right, growing pains suck and Truman will be impacted for the next several years. Living downtown was a complete bitch during the streetcar construction, we all got through it.

I think these issues are good problems to have, it means downtown is busy. Not that we shouldn’t always strive to make all details better. A lot of good ideas in here already.

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Re: Fixing p&l traffic backups

Postby kas1 » Sat Jan 20, 2018 2:36 pm

I live in a big city with plenty of construction in tight spaces and it almost never disrupts the streets or the sidewalks. It's not a good problem to have.

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Re: Fixing p&l traffic backups

Postby horizons82 » Sat Jan 20, 2018 2:54 pm

kas1 wrote:I live in a big city with plenty of construction in tight spaces and it almost never disrupts the streets or the sidewalks. It's not a good problem to have.


Have any examples of this no-disruption construction?

Outside of the much needed temporary sidewalk ordinance that was passed, there's not much more that can be done to mitigate construction staging.


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