Your favorite P&L restaurant, Summer 2017 [RIP Gordon Biersch] edition

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What's your favorite P&L restaurant now?

801 Chophouse
0
No votes
Bar Louie
1
3%
BRGR
4
11%
Bristol
6
17%
Burger King
1
3%
Chesterfield
0
No votes
Chipotle
5
14%
Cleaver & Cork
1
3%
Drunken Fish
1
3%
Dubliner
0
No votes
Flying Saucer
5
14%
Johnny's
1
3%
Leinenkugel's
0
No votes
McFadden's
0
No votes
Mema's
0
No votes
Mixx
3
9%
No Other Pub
1
3%
Pizza Bar
0
No votes
Protein House
0
No votes
Yardhouse
6
17%
 
Total votes: 35

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Your favorite P&L restaurant, Summer 2017 [RIP Gordon Biersch] edition

Postby wahoowa » Mon Jul 24, 2017 4:55 pm

new version of a classic thread -- let's see how the distribution compares to the previous iteration. has time been kind to 2009-2017 champion bristol? is BRGR going to capture chefburger's votes? can the alamo's chesterfield equal or best the amc marquee's 1 vote showing?

general chatter re: quality of these options, including (especially!) which ones are of low to negative quality, is also welcome. if anyone wants to lodge votes for worst offering of this group i will tally those in this first post. rampant speculation and rumor mongering sounds great, too. gogogo!!

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Re: Your favorite P&L restaurant, Summer 2017 [RIP Gordon Biersch] edition

Postby mean » Mon Jul 24, 2017 5:36 pm

Unfortunately, I haven't really tried many of the new places. I voted for Bar Louie based solely on a decent meal there and feel kinda dirty about it. I like 801 OK too, but it's so stupidly expensive that it's hard to give it any value points. If I'm being honest it probably still is Bristol, but I've had a couple mediocre to bad experiences there so, from my perspective at least, it's hard to vote for. I really want Cleaver and Cork to be good, but haven't bothered to actually try it. I actually kinda liked the Maker's Mark place it replaced, but hey, bourbon.

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Re: Your favorite P&L restaurant, Summer 2017 [RIP Gordon Biersch] edition

Postby DaveKCMO » Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:36 pm

mean wrote:I voted for Bar Louie based solely on a decent meal there and feel kinda dirty about it.


you should. between BL and pizza bar, it's a tough call as to which P&L restaurant will fail next.

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Postby wahoowa » Mon Jul 24, 2017 11:54 pm

interesting that the dubliner isn't on your failure imminent list. that place is huge and it is empty. my off the cuff future closing rankings:

I ASSUME GOING TO CLOSE SOON
1. gordon biersch (of course)
2. dubliner
3. pizza bar (great place to listen to the johnny's crowd watch sporting events!)
4. burger king

NEVER CLOSING EVER
1. chipotle
2. johnny's
3. mixx
4. protein house (one life crowd seriously loves this place)
5. pizza bar (on second thought, this is clearly a front of some kind and is not subject to market forces)

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Re: Your favorite P&L restaurant, Summer 2017 [RIP Gordon Biersch] edition

Postby Highlander » Tue Jul 25, 2017 12:42 am

wahoowa wrote:interesting that the dubliner isn't on your failure imminent list. that place is huge and it is empty. my off the cuff future closing rankings:

I ASSUME GOING TO CLOSE SOON
1. gordon biersch (of course)
2. dubliner
3. pizza bar (great place to listen to the johnny's crowd watch sporting events!)
4. burger king

NEVER CLOSING EVER
1. chipotle
2. johnny's
3. mixx
4. protein house (one life crowd seriously loves this place)
5. pizza bar (on second thought, this is clearly a front of some kind and is not subject to market forces)


I 've been Dubliner a couple of times and it had modest crowds. Every time I walk by the Chophouse, it's empty and there is absolutely no sign of any activity at all. Oddly enough, Gordon Biersch was one of the more busy restaurants in the district.

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Re: Your favorite P&L restaurant, Summer 2017 [RIP Gordon Biersch] edition

Postby mean » Tue Jul 25, 2017 10:12 am

Highlander wrote:I 've been Dubliner a couple of times and it had modest crowds. Every time I walk by the Chophouse, it's empty and there is absolutely no sign of any activity at all. Oddly enough, Gordon Biersch was one of the more busy restaurants in the district.


Fortunately for 801, they can survive on one person having dinner there every six months.

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Re: Your favorite P&L restaurant, Summer 2017 [RIP Gordon Biersch] edition

Postby StrangerThings » Tue Jul 25, 2017 11:25 am

Pizza Bar is rarely busy for lunch but is slammed before and after events, as well as the late night go to spot for slices. It's biggest boom is late Friday and Saturday nights as people get tired of the nightclubs, they end up wanting to sit down and have a few more drinks.

The Dubliner is doing far better under its new management. They've also worked with Cordish in regards to their lease to restructure the deal. It's been busier this summer than I've ever seen it.

Bar Louie is sad. The food is decent but the service is horrific. They go through a few general managers a year and can't keep good help. I see that one going first out of all options listed.

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Re: Your favorite P&L restaurant, Summer 2017 [RIP Gordon Biersch] edition

Postby DaveKCMO » Tue Jul 25, 2017 2:12 pm

StrangerThings wrote:Bar Louie is sad. The food is decent but the service is horrific. They go through a few general managers a year and can't keep good help. I see that one going first out of all options listed.


for me, BL is just not different enough from gordon biersch or yardhouse to justify stepping in there ever again.

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Re: Your favorite P&L restaurant, Summer 2017 [RIP Gordon Biersch] edition

Postby KCPowercat » Tue Jul 25, 2017 2:19 pm

One thing BL does have is a late kitchen.

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Postby StrangerThings » Tue Jul 25, 2017 2:22 pm

KCPowercat wrote:One thing BL does have is a late kitchen.



This is true. So does Johhny's, which is my goto spot for late night food.

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Re: Your favorite P&L restaurant, Summer 2017 [RIP Gordon Biersch] edition

Postby wahoowa » Tue Jul 25, 2017 3:05 pm

the fact that johnny's will serve you a (marginally better) slice late night makes it even more ridiculous that pizza bar exists. give! us! mellow! mushroom!!!

i've been to dubliner for friday lunch and for friday happy hour in the past month and i've only seen maybe 8 other customers inside total, but happy to hear it's doing well i guess. reminds me of that old saying: the rising tide benefits both the two irish boats and all those other boats i like more than the irish ones

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Re: Your favorite P&L restaurant, Summer 2017 [RIP Gordon Biersch] edition

Postby mean » Thu Jul 27, 2017 2:01 pm

I'd only ever run into Mellow Mushroom in the fairly deep south, so assumed it was a very regional thing, but it looks like they're expanding pretty rapidly.

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Re: Your favorite P&L restaurant, Summer 2017 [RIP Gordon Biersch] edition

Postby Highlander » Thu Aug 03, 2017 11:10 pm

I read the KCStar article on Gordon Biersch. Looks like they are keeping their other area restaurants. That begs a question - did Gordon Biersch get forced out by Cordish or simply decide the profit margin was better in the suburbs? I certainly hope its the former. The P&L District doesn't have the greatest restaurant line-up and I'd be disappointed to hear what I thought was one of the better restaurants down there could not make a go of it. Plus - I still like the idea of Brewpubs no matter how out of fashion they are - and still would like to see one downtown.

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Re: Your favorite P&L restaurant, Summer 2017 [RIP Gordon Biersch] edition

Postby StrangerThings » Fri Aug 04, 2017 12:02 am

Highlander wrote:I read the KCStar article on Gordon Biersch. Looks like they are keeping their other area restaurants. That begs a question - did Gordon Biersch get forced out by Cordish or simply decide the profit margin was better in the suburbs? I certainly hope its the former. The P&L District doesn't have the greatest restaurant line-up and I'd be disappointed to hear what I thought was one of the better restaurants down there could not make a go of it. Plus - I still like the idea of Brewpubs no matter how out of fashion they are - and still would like to see one downtown.


Absolutely not forced out. The parent company has focused more on their Old Chicago brand and GB has slacked in sales in several markets. Several more will be closing around the country at a slow rate. The lease was up and they decided several months ago to negotiate their exit instead of re-sign.

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Re: Your favorite P&L restaurant, Summer 2017 [RIP Gordon Biersch] edition

Postby Highlander » Wed Nov 15, 2017 10:11 pm

So when will the Joe's KC hybrid be open in the former Gordon Biersch spot? I will be in KC over Christmas, hoping to eat there.

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Postby KCPowercat » Thu Nov 16, 2017 8:50 am

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Re: Your favorite P&L restaurant, Summer 2017 [RIP Gordon Biersch] edition

Postby StrangerThings » Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:29 am

Goal is to be 100% by Big 12. So assuming they’ll start doing soft opening stuff late February. Anyone notice the slight name change?

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Re: Your favorite P&L restaurant, Summer 2017 [RIP Gordon Biersch] edition

Postby swid » Fri Nov 17, 2017 1:04 pm

Yeah, noticed that a few days ago.

“County Road Ice House” is less lawsuit-inviting, I assume.

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Re: Your favorite P&L restaurant, Summer 2017 [RIP Gordon Biersch] edition

Postby StrangerThings » Fri Nov 17, 2017 1:11 pm

swid wrote:Yeah, noticed that a few days ago.

“County Road Ice House” is less lawsuit-inviting, I assume.


Yea, turns out the one "county line" location in Texas wasn't ok with another restaurant using that name a few states away.

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Re: Your favorite P&L restaurant, Summer 2017 [RIP Gordon Biersch] edition

Postby KCPowercat » Fri Nov 17, 2017 1:34 pm

First thing I thought of


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