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Re: Five Light

Post by GRID » Wed Mar 01, 2017 5:06 pm

DaveKCMO wrote:
GRID wrote:The streetcar needs to cross the river and run to downtown NKC, not to the casino.
NKC isn't interested, so that isn't go anywhere for the time being.
Bummer. I know they are looking at extending to Berkley Park. Hopefully they are doing that with keeping in mind a river crossing in the future. It doesn't make a lot of sense to extend it east of Heart of America Bridge much. Maybe put a stop on the west end of the park so the streetcar can easily cross the river rather heading to the industrial no man's land of the east bottoms.

If NKC doesn't want to be a part of it, KCMO could at least build a transit/pedestrian bridge to Harlem. Then the city would basically open up a whole new area to re-develop opposite the river from the River Market into a large mixed use district. If KCMO gets the streetcar that far, I'm sure NKC would want to see it extended. If not, keep in the city limits and take it up to Briarcliff with a stop at the Downtown Airport.

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Re: Five Light

Post by DaveKCMO » Wed Mar 01, 2017 5:16 pm

GRID wrote:I know they are looking at extending to Berkley Park. Hopefully they are doing that with keeping in mind a river crossing in the future.
i can confirm first hand that the riverfront work will not preclude crossing the river.

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Re: Five Light

Post by KCPowercat » Wed Mar 01, 2017 5:23 pm

I like this idea....I like this idea even more if isle of Capri pays for that piece of the line out of their own pocket

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Re: Five Light

Post by DaveKCMO » Wed Mar 01, 2017 5:27 pm

KCPowercat wrote:I like this idea....I like this idea even more if isle of Capri pays for that piece of the line out of their own pocket
pretty sure that's the only way it will work.

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Re: Five Light

Post by TheBigChuckbowski » Thu Mar 02, 2017 8:44 am

DaveKCMO wrote:
KCPowercat wrote:I like this idea....I like this idea even more if isle of Capri pays for that piece of the line out of their own pocket
pretty sure that's the only way it will work.
So, essentially, it would run to the west end of the park unless Isle of Capri pays for a longer line?

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Re: Five Light

Post by flyingember » Thu Mar 02, 2017 10:18 am

The streetcar needs 16 feet of clearance.

The Front St bridge is currently 15.5 feet. Is that close enough or is the number 16 feet minimum?
There's also the old underpass that's now a bike trail with plenty of width to add track too as an option.

Rough guess is to get from the west end of the park to Isle of Capri is about $60 million

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Re: Five Light

Post by taxi » Thu Mar 02, 2017 10:52 am

Boat in a Moat.
Train in Vain.

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Re: Five Light

Post by normalthings » Thu Mar 02, 2017 11:39 am

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^^^ EL Dorado's Casino Hotel Tower in Reno and Shreveport(El Dorado owns Isle of Capri).
Not really something we would want here.

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Re: Five Light

Post by DaveKCMO » Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:08 pm

Five Light reference from the City Manager: https://www.facebook.com/northeastnewsk ... 478440942/

(and lots of other Cordish housing talk)

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Re: Five Light

Post by WoodDraw » Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:22 am

That a bit of a weird conversation. It's disappointing that none of the objectors seem to have any competence on how to lower housing costs.

Getting rid of zoning and parking requirements would do far more for affordable downtown housing than anything they said there. The shade thrown at the midland was weird as well.

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Re: Five Light

Post by WoodDraw » Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:16 am

It'd be different if there weren't surface lots sitting all around downtown. Kansas City has no housing problem. No one has a right to live in power and light.

Get rid of parking requirements and build build build. This is the city that can't get East village figured out. That knowingly let's developers bank property. It's infuriating how uneducated they are on urban planning.

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Post by smh » Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:47 am

WoodDraw wrote:It'd be different if there weren't surface lots sitting all around downtown. Kansas City has no housing problem. No one has a right to live in power and light.

Get rid of parking requirements and build build build. This is the city that can't get East village figured out. That knowingly let's developers bank property. It's infuriating how uneducated they are on urban planning.
Let us also never forget that it was Shields that championed the Westport development moratorium and it is Shields who thinks parking should be required to be bundled in rent. Both absolutely detrimental to affordable housing. She cares nothing about true affordability. She saw an opportunity to shit on an easy target and took it with hopes of grabbing a few political points.

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Re: Five Light

Post by flyingember » Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:57 am

WoodDraw wrote:That a bit of a weird conversation. It's disappointing that none of the objectors seem to have any competence on how to lower housing costs.

Getting rid of zoning and parking requirements would do far more for affordable downtown housing than anything they said there. The shade thrown at the midland was weird as well.
Getting rid of zoning has little connection to affordable housing. We don't want every project to be contentious.
There's room to rethink zoning without doubt but no zoning could make things very bad for downtown.
https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texa ... 171688.php

And to limit costs for parking within project we need different parking requirements, not none. No parking requirements puts all the power on developers and banks. They could build as many spots as wanted. You want to start looking at parking maximums as a requirement. A maximum that affects only the largest projects could be a good start.

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Re: Five Light

Post by swid » Wed Mar 21, 2018 12:16 pm

smh wrote: Let us also never forget that it was Shields that championed the Westport development moratorium and it is Shields who thinks parking should be required to be bundled in rent. Both absolutely detrimental to affordable housing. She cares nothing about true affordability. She saw an opportunity to shit on an easy target and took it with hopes of grabbing a few political points.
Note to self - I should comment on her next "Shields for KC" FB post on how, exactly, expanded parking minimums and development moratoriums help with housing affordability in any way. Since all those posts invariably get a single self-like and no responses, I don't expect much, if any, of a response.

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Re: Five Light

Post by WoodDraw » Wed Mar 21, 2018 1:28 pm

flyingember wrote:
WoodDraw wrote:That a bit of a weird conversation. It's disappointing that none of the objectors seem to have any competence on how to lower housing costs.

Getting rid of zoning and parking requirements would do far more for affordable downtown housing than anything they said there. The shade thrown at the midland was weird as well.
Getting rid of zoning has little connection to affordable housing. We don't want every project to be contentious.
There's room to rethink zoning without doubt but no zoning could make things very bad for downtown.
https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texa ... 171688.php

And to limit costs for parking within project we need different parking requirements, not none. No parking requirements puts all the power on developers and banks. They could build as many spots as wanted. You want to start looking at parking maximums as a requirement. A maximum that affects only the largest projects could be a good start.
Yeah, sorry. I'm not advocating for no regulation. I worded my post very poorly.

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Re: Five Light

Post by normalthings » Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:36 pm

Can someone with working speakers summarize the video?

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Re: Five Light

Post by KCPowercat » Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:04 pm

I'll assume Cordish leadership is smart enough to understand politics and won't run away from a profitable situation due to two council people

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Re: Five Light

Post by KCPowercat » Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:04 pm

One side isn't trying to adjust the agreement though. ...2 council people don't get to change anything

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Re: Five Light

Post by KCPowercat » Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:19 pm

When you want $10MM's of dollars of tax money, you have to expect this from government....

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Re: Five Light

Post by normalthings » Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:58 pm

StrangerThings wrote:
ldai_phs wrote:Can someone with working speakers summarize the video?
Shields and Canady continue their argument that the council/city isn't pushing Cordish hard enough and claim Cordish knows they have the upper hand since they already have 7 votes needed. City manager explains what Cordish is willing to do, which involves some movement and that they will turn Midland into affordable units soon in the timeline as opposed to later down the road. Shields and Canady not happy, most other members sit in silence with the exception of the Mayor. That was terrible and very basic, sorry.

One thing I don't think these two council members understand is Cordish DOES have the upper hand. If this agreement isn't legally binding and they can renegotiate, so can Cordish. So all downtown development by Cordish could stop after Three Light if it really came down to it. I just hope their political posturing doesn't mess anything up. We have such great momentum at the moment.
So no real 5 light details?

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