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Re: Three Light

Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:39 pm
by kcjak
Is this the new rendering of Three Light in the Cityscene article? https://cityscenekc.com/signs-point-to-softening-downtown-apartment-market/

Re: Three Light

Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:48 pm
by ldai_phs
Its a couple years old

Re: Three Light

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:13 pm
by NorthOak
I was excited to think that 3 Light would begin construction as soon as 2 Light was completed (as when first announced).
I should have known that would be too ambitious for KC :roll:

As it all depends on how fast 2 fills up, now I think it could be up to a year or more before they break ground.
I understand these are high profile lots on the streetcar, but I wish they would scrap 3 and 4's design ideas and go shorter.
7-8 floors would keep the skyline density intact, allow them to start both tomorrow and then negotiate with the owners of the 12th & Grand lot to build something super tall and mixed use. (win, win, win)

Re: Three Light

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:35 pm
by horizons82
NorthOak wrote:7-8 floors would keep the skyline density intact, allow them to start both tomorrow and then negotiate with the owners of the 12th & Grand lot to build something super tall and mixed use. (win, win, win)


What do you mean by "keep the skyline density intact"?

Re: Three Light

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:06 pm
by flyingember
horizons82 wrote:
NorthOak wrote:7-8 floors would keep the skyline density intact, allow them to start both tomorrow and then negotiate with the owners of the 12th & Grand lot to build something super tall and mixed use. (win, win, win)


What do you mean by "keep the skyline density intact"?

The idea is to put less money into more blocks and rather than build onelarge towers, to have 4 blocks filled with shorter ones

Re: Three Light

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:25 pm
by KCLover
horizons82 wrote:
NorthOak wrote:7-8 floors would keep the skyline density intact, allow them to start both tomorrow and then negotiate with the owners of the 12th & Grand lot to build something super tall and mixed use. (win, win, win)


What do you mean by "keep the skyline density intact"?


More like keep the skyline view from Liberty Memorial intact. Pretty sure that's what NorthOak really means.

Re: Three Light

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:39 pm
by StrangerThings
Developers and customers alike aren't interested in shorter residential buildings on highly valuable downtown property. At least not in prime real-estate like the 3 and 4 light lots. Imagine how dumb it would look once they cap the loop with a few 8 story residential buildings right there.

I personally think the skyline looks great and will look perfect once all the new towers are up. Especially from the liberty memorial and union station perspective. I feel the cordish towers are perfectly positioned and it's great how the skyline gets wider and taller from that southern perspective.

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Re: Three Light

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:57 pm
by cityscape
I agree. The Skyline looks great and will only look better with the addition of the Light buildings and Convention Hotel. My biggest beef with the Light buildings is the name/signage they use (Just seems like not much thought was put into the naming). I know the names were likely part of the branding but why not use unique names for each building that helps branding (like "The District", "P&L Block", etc....) The buildings, themselves, are good additions. As Stranger Things commented, once the loop is capped having highrises there will make more sense.

Re: Three Light

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 2:57 pm
by StrangerThings
Many people don't like the naming of "blank" Light, but I can assure you an over abundance of thought went into that. A tie into the Power and Light name was crucial and trust me, out of all the choices this was a good one! I am jealous of the tower going up in STL, "One Cardinal Way" is a very cool building name, especially compared to One Light.

Re: Three Light

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:19 pm
by beautyfromashes
I’m fine with the delay. Redesigning a building so it doesn’t look the same as the others can take a lot of time. Take all the time you want to get it right!

Re: Three Light

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:28 pm
by JBmidtown
beautyfromashes wrote:I’m fine with the delay. Redesigning a building so it doesn’t look the same as the others can take a lot of time. Take all the time you want to get it right!


Jfc

Re: Three Light

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:33 pm
by KC_JAYHAWK
StrangerThings wrote:Many people don't like the naming of "blank" Light, but I can assure you an over abundance of thought went into that. A tie into the Power and Light name was crucial and trust me, out of all the choices this was a good one! I am jealous of the tower going up in STL, "One Cardinal Way" is a very cool building name, especially compared to One Light.


Really, it's called "One Cardinal Way"? :lol: That city is so ass backwards, everything is about their stupid Cardinals. Never been in a city so obsessed with their identity and baseball team.

Re: Three Light

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:42 pm
by ldai_phs
beautyfromashes wrote:I’m fine with the delay. Redesigning a building so it doesn’t look the same as the others can take a lot of time. Take all the time you want to get it right!

If only that was what is happening. To me it would have made more sense to build 4 Light first due to it being a large hotel. That way there would have been less of a need for waiting on 2 Light to lease out.

Re: Three Light

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:50 pm
by StrangerThings
KC_JAYHAWK wrote:
StrangerThings wrote:Many people don't like the naming of "blank" Light, but I can assure you an over abundance of thought went into that. A tie into the Power and Light name was crucial and trust me, out of all the choices this was a good one! I am jealous of the tower going up in STL, "One Cardinal Way" is a very cool building name, especially compared to One Light.


Really, it's called "One Cardinal Way"? :lol: That city is so ass backwards, everything is about their stupid Cardinals. Never been in a city so obsessed with their identity and baseball team.



What else does STL have going for it besides one of the best MLB franchises in the league? Considering you can see into the stadium from your living room in some units and the cardinals have a ownership stake, I'd say it's fitting!

Re: Three Light

Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:22 am
by FangKC
We have plenty of places to put shorter buildings in KC. In a luxury downtown high-rise, the selling point is the view. People want high floor apartments with views. Otherwise, what is the point of paying a premium for a downtown apartment? It's really stupid to invest millions in P&L, and not put up high-rises and create as much residential density as possible near a retail and entertainment district. We have time to wait for buildings to fill up, before starting new ones. The world will not end if a lot sits vacant for two more years instead of one.

Re: Three Light

Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 1:12 pm
by flyingember
ldai_phs wrote:If only that was what is happening. To me it would have made more sense to build 4 Light first due to it being a large hotel. That way there would have been less of a need for waiting on 2 Light to lease out.

Has there been any confirmation it's a hotel?

Re: Three Light

Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:11 pm
by StrangerThings
flyingember wrote:
ldai_phs wrote:If only that was what is happening. To me it would have made more sense to build 4 Light first due to it being a large hotel. That way there would have been less of a need for waiting on 2 Light to lease out.

Has there been any confirmation it's a hotel?


It's been the plan all along, hasn't changed at this time. Will be part residential part hotel.

Re: Three Light

Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:33 pm
by WoodDraw
NorthOak wrote:I was excited to think that 3 Light would begin construction as soon as 2 Light was completed (as when first announced).
I should have known that would be too ambitious for KC :roll:

As it all depends on how fast 2 fills up, now I think it could be up to a year or more before they break ground.
I understand these are high profile lots on the streetcar, but I wish they would scrap 3 and 4's design ideas and go shorter.
7-8 floors would keep the skyline density intact, allow them to start both tomorrow and then negotiate with the owners of the 12th & Grand lot to build something super tall and mixed use. (win, win, win)


This all sounds wrong to me, especially building 3 light before 2 light gets to what they're comfortable with. They're a fucking business.

I'm all for giving shit to cordish for some of their decisions and cost cuttings, but wtf? We can't just overbuild KC and pretend it's going to fill in around it. I know I have a one year freeze on my apartment's rent and others are offering incentives to move it.

Re: Three Light

Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 1:15 am
by NorthOak
WoodDraw wrote:I'm all for giving shit to cordish for some of their decisions and cost cuttings, but wtf? We can't just overbuild KC and pretend it's going to fill in around it. I know I have a one year freeze on my apartment's rent and others are offering incentives to move it.


No body is giving Cordish sh** or anything else. I'm stating a personal desire and opinion.
Next time I'll draw a little wishing well next to my comment so your head doesn't explode.

WoodDraw wrote:They're a fucking business.


See, this profound information is why I come to this forum, so much you can learn here.

Re: Three Light

Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 7:40 am
by WoodDraw
:rolling eyes emoji: