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Re: Two Light - 14th & Grand

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:55 am
by cityscape
So, I wonder if the issue with these buildings isn't so much with the glass and similar style but the location. Any other buildings, even if they are all different styles at these locations and over 20 stories are going to have a dramatic change on the skyline and hide all the wonderful stair step buildings that make this viewpoint so symmetrical. I think Cordish is building some quality units and overall they buildings look great. My one complaint is the name and signage. I suspect that as more high rises start to crop up in the crossroads all of this concern will start to fade. The skyline is changing and in the end, we'll all be happy with it, just like we now are happy with the Bartle Hall pylons.....

Re: Two Light - 14th & Grand

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:48 am
by StrangerThings
KCPowercat wrote:
StrangerThings wrote:
KCPowercat wrote:lol "the city has been happy with everything Cordish has done"

who is "the city"? Citizens (who is "the city" in my mind) definitely have had concerns about things Cordish has done and their delivery in projections....not everyone (personally I think Cordish has done a great job overall) but overreaching statements like that just can't possibly be true or proven.


The people who make decisions and are authorized agents on the city’s behalf. Outside of this forum, I’ve never once heard a glass wall complaint.


like councilperson? Staff? We know council isn't all in on everything Cordish has done...


A few council members complaining about things to bolster their political capital isn’t enough to say the council is overall unhappy. There were 5 council members at the Two Light event Saturday and I spoke to each one. The city manager was also there and has nothing but positive to say.

We all know the level of scrutiny escalated after the original development deal was done. I’d expect some push back for even a million dollar contribution to future projects.

Re: Two Light - 14th & Grand

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:51 am
by StrangerThings
cityscape wrote:So, I wonder if the issue with these buildings isn't so much with the glass and similar style but the location. Any other buildings, even if they are all different styles at these locations and over 20 stories are going to have a dramatic change on the skyline and hide all the wonderful stair step buildings that make this viewpoint so symmetrical. I think Cordish is building some quality units and overall they buildings look great. My one complaint is the name and signage. I suspect that as more high rises start to crop up in the crossroads all of this concern will start to fade. The skyline is changing and in the end, we'll all be happy with it, just like we now are happy with the Bartle Hall pylons.....



I’m not a fan of the signage either as most nice high rise units don’t feature any kind of signage besides at street level. I like the mystery of seeing a nice building and wondering what it is.

Re: Two Light - 14th & Grand

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:57 am
by KC_JAYHAWK
I've heard several people grumble at work about the murals on Two Light. The north side has a picture of Wilt Chamberlin playing for KU and on the east side of the garage there is a large picture of Mario Chalmers hitting the 3 when KU won the National Championship in 2008. It makes me smile every time I see them. No Mizzou love in this Missouri city...lol

Re: Two Light - 14th & Grand

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:13 am
by KCPowercat
Sprots!

Re: Two Light - 14th & Grand

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:15 am
by shinatoo
I can think of one more KU player I'd like to see up there.

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Re: Two Light - 14th & Grand

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:30 am
by KCPowercat
If there is really two bball murals up and it's not a remake of the rebook ad that's a huge miss.

Re: Two Light - 14th & Grand

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 12:21 pm
by GRID
KC_JAYHAWK wrote:I've heard several people grumble at work about the murals on Two Light. The north side has a picture of Wilt Chamberlin playing for KU and on the east side of the garage there is a large picture of Mario Chalmers hitting the 3 when KU won the National Championship in 2008. It makes me smile every time I see them. No Mizzou love in this Missouri city...lol


Oh god, did they really put college basketball crap up on the murals? KC has so much history with jazz, streetcars, art deco, fountains etc. If you have to do sports, then do only Royals, A's, Blues, Monarchs, Chiefs, etc. Maybe a shot of old municipal stadium.

But freaking KU?

Re: Two Light - 14th & Grand

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 12:24 pm
by StrangerThings
^^ Royals, Chiefs, Sporting, KU, Monarchs, Jazz etc are all represented. Keep in mind, there will be murals on the future buildings as well.

Re: Two Light - 14th & Grand

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 12:25 pm
by swid
The side facing Truman is (going off memory) a montage of the Royals (2015 WS celebration), Chiefs (Len Dawson), and Sporting KC (Matt Besler). I haven't had a good look at the Grand-facing side to even notice what was on it.

Re: Two Light - 14th & Grand

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 12:28 pm
by GRID
StrangerThings wrote:^^ Royals, Chiefs, Sporting, KU, Monarchs, Jazz etc are all represented. Keep in mind, there will be murals on the future buildings as well.


Sounds better. Emphasis should be on the city, not a college town 50 miles away. KC itself does't even have a top level college program.

Re: Two Light - 14th & Grand

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 12:28 pm
by KCPowercat
Would not have been my choice to pick and choose colleges ....pro sports from the city I get....but picking and choosing colleges seems a good way to just piss people off (for those who get down with bring mad about sports)

Re: Two Light - 14th & Grand

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 12:31 pm
by KC_JAYHAWK
swid wrote:The side facing Truman is (going off memory) a montage of the Royals (2015 WS celebration), Chiefs (Len Dawson), and Sporting KC (Matt Besler). I haven't had a good look at the Grand-facing side to even notice what was on it.


Mario Chalmers hitting a 3 in the 2008 National Championship.

Re: Two Light - 14th & Grand

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 12:56 pm
by StrangerThings
I strongly dislike KU, but understand KC is very much a KU City. They’re historically a top 4 college basketball school, so I think it’s an important tie in. Unfortunately, there’s not many if any mizzou basketball players worthy of a mural. I’ve grown to become a major mizzou guy since moving to Kansas City.

I think it the rivalry was still alive, they could have done a cool mural featuring that.

Re: Two Light - 14th & Grand

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 12:57 pm
by StrangerThings
KC_JAYHAWK wrote:
swid wrote:The side facing Truman is (going off memory) a montage of the Royals (2015 WS celebration), Chiefs (Len Dawson), and Sporting KC (Matt Besler). I haven't had a good look at the Grand-facing side to even notice what was on it.


Mario Chalmers hitting a 3 in the 2008 National Championship.



Arguably the single most important shot in school history.

Re: Two Light - 14th & Grand

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 1:40 pm
by GRID
StrangerThings wrote:
KC_JAYHAWK wrote:
swid wrote:The side facing Truman is (going off memory) a montage of the Royals (2015 WS celebration), Chiefs (Len Dawson), and Sporting KC (Matt Besler). I haven't had a good look at the Grand-facing side to even notice what was on it.


Mario Chalmers hitting a 3 in the 2008 National Championship.



Arguably the single most important shot in school history.


Key word being "school" not "city".

Lawrence and KU are not KC. If KC had a big time sports school like Cincy or Louisville, or ST Louis does, it would make sense. I just would have stuck to KC sports and left the college stuff for the place across the street. I would have put the most recent accomplishment (royals winning WS) in a prominent location like that.

I care nothing about college sports because I grew up in a town that doesn't have a team ;) But that's me. I'm obviously not like most people in KC.

I'm sure the mural is fine. It's just a mural. But combined with the super tacky and giant cowboy sign that towers over the district and the obnoxious and a bit large ONE TWO and THREE LIGHT signs, the aesthetics choices are just not great IMO.

Re: Two Light - 14th & Grand

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:02 pm
by grecobs
Just toured two light and am very impressed. This building has everything and is extremely livable. You can walk to a grocery stores, restaurants, public transit, and just about anything you’d like. The views are spectacular and you get a true city vibe.

The additions of 3/4/5 light will only further the density and make the area that much better. 5/5 on this one. Can’t wait to see hundreds of new residents pour into downtown. The only thing missing from the area is more people!

Re: Two Light - 14th & Grand

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:07 pm
by KC_JAYHAWK
GRID wrote:
StrangerThings wrote:
KC_JAYHAWK wrote:
Mario Chalmers hitting a 3 in the 2008 National Championship.



Arguably the single most important shot in school history.


Key word being "school" not "city".

Lawrence and KU are not KC. If KC had a big time sports school like Cincy or Louisville, or ST Louis does, it would make sense. I just would have stuck to KC sports and left the college stuff for the place across the street. I would have put the most recent accomplishment (royals winning WS) in a prominent location like that.

I care nothing about college sports because I grew up in a town that doesn't have a team ;) But that's me. I'm obviously not like most people in KC.

I'm sure the mural is fine. It's just a mural. But combined with the super tacky and giant cowboy sign that towers over the district and the obnoxious and a bit large ONE TWO and THREE LIGHT signs, the aesthetics choices are just not great IMO.


Well it is facing the College Basketball Hall of Fame, so that might be why they put it there. I like it of course, but I can see why others might not. KU plays more basketball games in KC than Mizzou ever does.

Re: Two Light - 14th & Grand

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:17 pm
by KCPowercat
Honestly putting school alligence aside here, seems like a silly mural addition.

The throwback to the 88 reebok dunk ad ...on this very site...would have been much cooler and still tied into college basketball.

Re: Two Light - 14th & Grand

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:58 pm
by KC_JAYHAWK
KCPowercat wrote:Honestly putting school alligence aside here, seems like a silly mural addition.

The throwback to the 88 reebok dunk ad ...on this very site...would have been much cooler and still tied into college basketball.


I agree, that would be cool and should happen and that ties in perfectly with KU as well since that was the last year KC hosted the Final Four and KU beat OU. :)