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Re: Proposed apartment for 14th and Grand - Two Light

Post by normalthings » Thu Apr 16, 2015 6:56 pm

moderne wrote:Rendering shows some masonry on the projecting part of the northeast end. Hoping this element is repeated on the south elevation to keep it from being just a slab.
Reminds me of Town Pavilion.

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Re: Proposed apartment for 14th and Grand - Two Light

Post by rxlexi » Fri Apr 17, 2015 11:34 am

So I'm still trying to understand the mural along the base of Two Light in the rendering. It looks like they intend to copy the mural along the south facing wall of P&L? I'm assuming this is more likely a placeholder design, and that space could be used for advertising or other imagery.

I would love to see another "art wall" here, like that on the Town Pavilion garage just north of the Live block.

Not sure that a hand-painted mural would look fantastic at the base of a new glass tower, if there is any intent to replicate the P&L mural.

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Re: Proposed apartment for 14th and Grand - Two Light

Post by kcjak » Fri Apr 17, 2015 12:31 pm

Neon cowfolk!

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Re: Proposed apartment for 14th and Grand - Two Light

Post by kboish » Fri Apr 17, 2015 1:13 pm

rxlexi wrote:So I'm still trying to understand the mural along the base of Two Light in the rendering. It looks like they intend to copy the mural along the south facing wall of P&L? I'm assuming this is more likely a placeholder design, and that space could be used for advertising or other imagery.

I would love to see another "art wall" here, like that on the Town Pavilion garage just north of the Live block.

Not sure that a hand-painted mural would look fantastic at the base of a new glass tower, if there is any intent to replicate the P&L mural.
In their testimony before PZE committee cordish stated that they were preserving the mural by moving it to the spot depicted in their initial rendering.

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Re: Proposed apartment for 14th and Grand - Two Light

Post by pash » Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:03 pm

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Re: Proposed apartment for 14th and Grand - Two Light

Post by chingon » Sat Apr 18, 2015 2:20 pm

kboish wrote:
In their testimony before PZE committee cordish stated that they were preserving the mural by moving it to the spot depicted in their initial rendering.
Wow. That's really cool.

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Re: Proposed apartment for 14th and Grand - Two Light

Post by normalthings » Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:18 pm

Heard on the news that there are no buildings downtown that are vacant or don't have a plan for restoration. Once this wave of work in completed, everything else will be new construction. Hopefully we start to expand vertically.

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Post by pash » Mon Apr 20, 2015 6:48 pm

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Re: Proposed apartment for 14th and Grand - Two Light

Post by flyingember » Mon Apr 20, 2015 9:13 pm

ldai_phs wrote:Heard on the news that there are no buildings downtown that are vacant or don't have a plan for restoration. Once this wave of work in completed, everything else will be new construction. Hopefully we start to expand vertically.
last I knew the New England building was mostly empty.
And the McWhiter building just to the south is

The Lane Printing building near them along with the lower floors of Union Carbide were renovated in recent years but are empty

That's just one block

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Re: Proposed apartment for 14th and Grand - Two Light

Post by normalthings » Mon Apr 20, 2015 10:23 pm

flyingember wrote:
ldai_phs wrote:Heard on the news that there are no buildings downtown that are vacant or don't have a plan for restoration. Once this wave of work in completed, everything else will be new construction. Hopefully we start to expand vertically.
last I knew the New England building was mostly empty.
And the McWhiter building just to the south is

The Lane Printing building near them along with the lower floors of Union Carbide were renovated in recent years but are empty

That's just one block
I stand corrected. Sorry, I'm new to the scene. Why is Cordish going for quantity(of buildings) over height? It would seem better to pack as many units into the prime space around P&L as possible.

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Re: Proposed apartment for 14th and Grand - Two Light

Post by loftguy » Tue Apr 21, 2015 8:28 am

Yes, there are a few existant buildings yet to be repurposed, but it is a relative handful.

New construction is the future and the shift in thinking, approach and planning is needed now.

Regarding Cordish planning and quantity of buildings? It is possible from a point of engineering and technique to build a one block square building that is 150 stories tall for 15,000 residents, or we can build forty to sixty buildings to house the same number of people. The forty-sixty building solution is something more human in scale and more interesting, with opportunity for pedestrian experience, retail, streetlife and interaction. Actually, I much prefer it be four-six hundred buildings of 25-40 apartments in each building at a max of 5 story height.....
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Re: Proposed apartment for 14th and Grand - Two Light

Post by shinatoo » Tue Apr 21, 2015 9:22 am

Did you mean 15 stories?
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Re: Proposed apartment for 14th and Grand - Two Light

Post by flyingember » Tue Apr 21, 2015 9:54 am

shinatoo wrote:Did you mean 15 stories?
One Light is ~25 stories, approx. 500 people. it sits on approx. 1/8 of a block

so 500 * 8 = 4000 people in the same height for a whole block

150 / 25 = 6x higher than the current height

4000 * 6 = 24,000

so 150 stories for 15,000 people is realistic.


he prefers 400-600 5-story buildings

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Re: Proposed apartment for 14th and Grand - Two Light

Post by normalthings » Tue Apr 21, 2015 10:25 am

flyingember wrote:
shinatoo wrote:Did you mean 15 stories?
One Light is ~25 stories, approx. 500 people. it sits on approx. 1/8 of a block

so 500 * 8 = 4000 people in the same height for a whole block

150 / 25 = 6x higher than the current height

4000 * 6 = 24,000

so 150 stories for 15,000 people is realistic.


he prefers 400-600 5-story buildings
That would seem like a waste of space
to have 400-600 5 story building. It would seem more efficient to build 20-40 story buildings.

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Re: Proposed apartment for 14th and Grand - Two Light

Post by Eon Blue » Tue Apr 21, 2015 10:35 am

We've got a lot of city to rebuild.

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Re: Proposed apartment for 14th and Grand - Two Light

Post by loftguy » Tue Apr 21, 2015 10:54 am

Idai_phs, my ideal of 5 story buildings as the general maximum height is based on my experience with neighborhoods and cities around the world that feel good and attractive and that are a street scene filled with light, relatable scale, life and activity. Just take the country club plaza as an example. When the street experience grows significantly above this general height, it often becomes an urban canyon that dwarfs people and their experiences at the base. People don't congregate or linger any more than they do when passing parking or vacant lots. You can find this bleak circumstance in most any large downtown in the US, especially in government and financial districts.

I can't say I am unique in noting the effects of scale. Jane Jacobs' book, "The Death and Life of Great American Cities" would be a good read for anyone interested in this topic.

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Re: Proposed apartment for 14th and Grand - Two Light

Post by shinatoo » Tue Apr 21, 2015 12:04 pm

Inside the loop the minimum should be 20, outside the loop I can see some great potential for 4-5 storied neighborhoods.
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Re: Proposed apartment for 14th and Grand - Two Light

Post by loftguy » Tue Apr 21, 2015 3:54 pm

Really? Why 20 Shinatoo? You realize you could fit a half million into the loop at that scale?

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Re: Proposed apartment for 14th and Grand - Two Light

Post by shinatoo » Tue Apr 21, 2015 4:09 pm

20 just feels so right.

And I'm just talking new construction. And all new construction doesn't have to be resi. I would be thrilled if we had 300k living in the loop. That kind of density would support the kind of services we all want in a downtown. Restaurants open at all hours, drug stores, urban Target, you name it. All within walking.
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Re: Proposed apartment for 14th and Grand - Two Light

Post by pash » Tue Apr 21, 2015 5:56 pm

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