Two Light - 14th & Grand

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Re: Two Light - 14th & Grand

Postby mRoyal » Mon Apr 09, 2018 3:44 pm

grecobs wrote:I mean, how do you guys not find LED signs to be incredibly tacky? No one actually lives in Times Square, why would any livable neighborhood try to replicate that?

I get that it adds a bit of a “big city” vibe but Don’t think that is the best directions for KCMO.


I see your point, but on the other hand look at what can be done with an LED sign vs a static billboard (or nothing at all). I mean, the murals are great pieces of art, but imagine a partnership with XRoads galleries and digital artists where their art is displayed on the screen for a week/month with artist info.

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Re: Two Light - 14th & Grand

Postby kboish » Mon Apr 09, 2018 4:24 pm

Weren't (new) billboards outlawed in KCMO city limits? Is there a difference between a billboard and these display boards?

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Re: Two Light - 14th & Grand

Postby KCPowercat » Mon Apr 09, 2018 4:24 pm

Digital art is what I was hoping for with that LED board space...not ads.

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Re: Two Light - 14th & Grand

Postby StrangerThings » Mon Apr 09, 2018 4:27 pm

Perhaps when the price comes down, they’ll be used more for art. When you’re spending several hundred thousand or a million dollars, you’ve got to quantify that expense with some form of revenue.

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Re: Two Light - 14th & Grand

Postby shinatoo » Mon Apr 09, 2018 4:36 pm

In any digital signage application, the biggest challenge is keeping eyes on the board when content gets stale. I think mixing in some appropriate art from local artist is a good idea.
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Re: Two Light - 14th & Grand

Postby KCPowercat » Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:33 pm

Would have been a way to get a bigger board approved....maybe?

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Re: Two Light - 14th & Grand

Postby StrangerThings » Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:44 pm

shinatoo wrote:In any digital signage application, the biggest challenge is keeping eyes on the board when content gets stale. I think mixing in some appropriate art from local artist is a good idea.


Orange Barrel is pretty good about tossing in some interesting visual content and their ads are dynamic with motion instead of your typical boring static Ad we are used to seeing.

I agree, toss in some art though. Would be cool to have a local artist featured monthly.

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Re: Two Light - 14th & Grand

Postby shinatoo » Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:11 pm

Didn't think you could have moving content in highway adjacent billboards in Missouri. I'm sure you covered that though.
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Re: Two Light - 14th & Grand

Postby StrangerThings » Mon Apr 09, 2018 8:54 pm

shinatoo wrote:Didn't think you could have moving content in highway adjacent billboards in Missouri. I'm sure you covered that though.



That I believe was one of the issues that had to be worked thru.

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Re: Two Light - 14th & Grand

Postby Darlene » Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:37 am

Those buildings are real pretty. I love all that glass and it makes them look good. I think if they put some lights on there they would look better at night. I was in Miami and thought it was real neat how they put the different color lights on the buildings and bridges. Something like that would be nice here in KC.

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Re: Two Light - 14th & Grand

Postby LCDSI » Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:44 am

Can someone post a picture for us out of towners (ex KC residents)?

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Re: Two Light - 14th & Grand

Postby ldai_phs » Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:20 pm

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I have never had a problem with the "wall" and glass. But after seeing this photo I'm not so sure. I kind of can see the problem. Hopefully, Cordish does more to differentiate the next buildings.

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Re: Two Light - 14th & Grand

Postby TheLastGentleman » Sat Apr 14, 2018 2:06 am

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Keep in mind that I eyeballed the height by just looking at the renderings, so don't take this image as gospel or anything. That being said, we'll definitely be losing some interesting stuff, such as H&R block as well as the president hotel. I'm sorry, but combined with the glassy convention hotel, this is just an overwhelming amount of glass and banal architecture. Variation in cladding between each building would go a long way

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Re: Two Light - 14th & Grand

Postby TheLastGentleman » Sat Apr 14, 2018 2:15 am

I'd also take the fact that there isn't an official rendering of the towers from this angle (the most photographed angle in the city!) as suspicious.

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Re: Two Light - 14th & Grand

Postby alejandro46 » Sat Apr 14, 2018 10:34 am

TheLastGentleman wrote:I'd also take the fact that there isn't an official rendering of the towers from this angle (the most photographed angle in the city!) as suspicious.


I agree with the general sentiment as well. While I understand they have a particular architect/style they would like to stick to, if they could be more conscientious of the "wall of glass" aspect to the projects overall in the 3-4 light buildings and include increased variation in height, sloping roofs, different cladding, etc. I think that would do a good deal to help alleviate that issue. I haven't really thought about it at length with including the Convention hotel, but after looking at the images you posted it has changed my mind that this is a pretty important thing to get right.

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Re: Two Light - 14th & Grand

Postby KCTOGA » Sat Apr 14, 2018 1:57 pm

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TheLastGentleman wrote:I'd also take the fact that there isn't an official rendering of the towers from this angle (the most photographed angle in the city!) as suspicious.


I agree with the general sentiment as well. While I understand they have a particular architect/style they would like to stick to, if they could be more conscientious of the "wall of glass" aspect to the projects overall in the 3-4 light buildings and include increased variation in height, sloping roofs, different cladding, etc. I think that would do a good deal to help alleviate that issue. I haven't really thought about it at length with including the Convention hotel, but after looking at the images you posted it has changed my mind that this is a pretty important thing to get right.

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Re: Two Light - 14th & Grand

Postby ldai_phs » Sat Apr 14, 2018 2:30 pm

Cordish should look Magellen’s Lakeshore East development for inspiration on how to build a bunch of unique glass towers next to each other

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Re: Two Light - 14th & Grand

Postby GRID » Sat Apr 14, 2018 11:46 pm

TheLastGentleman wrote:I'd also take the fact that there isn't an official rendering of the towers from this angle (the most photographed angle in the city!) as suspicious.


Yep, I have always said that. They avoid releasing renderings of the Truman road towers from the most photographed view of the city. Probably because they have them and they look terrible and the second they release them, they know they will have some push back.

It think the skyline is improved with one and two lights, but three and four lights plus the hotel are going to really screw up the skyline if they don't trying to do do something much more different with the other towers.

Does it matter? Probably not. I mean lots of cities have ugly skylines or skylines that are difficult to photograph.

But the downtown kc skyline from the south will go from being a very interesting, photogenic and attractive skyline with layers of density and contrasting architecture to basically a wall of glass with the tops of the taller buildings above them. Especially since there is almost no chance a skyline changing skyscraper will go up in the next 20 years to help offset the wall of glass. This won't just effect the view of the skyline from Liberty Memorial, but even more so from ground level. When driving north toward downtown, the impressive view of the downtown buildings will nearly go away. The wall of glass will pretty much hide most of the downtown from view. All you will see it a bunch of blue glass and huge LIGHT signs. I mean, they could at least make the south sides of the towers less plain. The north sides at least have some contrasting facades and are not as flat.

Personally, I think the city should be doing more to get more attractive and contrasting towers since Cordish is getting so many incentives for them.

Again, I like the first two towers, but it kind of sucks that I think downtown KC will actually be far less attractive after the new buildings are built. KC doesn't get a lot of new high rise construction and these new towers are just gong to cover up better looking buildings than they are putting up.

Part of a growing city I guess, but I hope it can be improved.

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Re: Two Light - 14th & Grand

Postby StrangerThings » Sun Apr 15, 2018 1:06 am

You know what happens when a mid-sized city goes decades in between building high rise buildings? Massive changes in popular design. This “glass wall” argument is exhausting and frutile.

Is it Cordish’s responsibility and financial burden to go out of their way to build drastically different buildings to maintain how it looks from a certain vantage point? Shouldn’t we be looking at the fact that this city’s most iconic high rise buildings have all been built in clusters during certain decades?

The early 1900’s,commerce and others. The 30’s, 909 walnut, PNL and others. The 80’s, OKCP, Town pavilion, AT&T. Now, 1-4 Light, 30 years after the most recent serious high rise downtown construction. So is it shocking that designs and preferred finishes have changed in the last 30 years? You’ll notice all those iconic buildings are very similar in style if built within the same decade. I’m sure shit was talked in the 80’s when ground was broke on one KC place and Town Pavilion about how they were going to ruin the beautiful skyline with all that glass which would block the Art Deco decor of the buildings constructed 50 years prior. :/

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Re: Two Light - 14th & Grand

Postby KCPowercat » Sun Apr 15, 2018 1:42 am

ughhh I know. These art deco towers are soooo disgusting.

Criticism isn't always fun but being super defensivie (comparing to art deco) is bad form.


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