Two Light - 14th & Grand

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Re: Two Light - 14th & Grand

Postby Highlander » Fri Sep 01, 2017 6:54 pm

StrangerThings wrote:
flyingember wrote:If it comes with higher taxable values, not the worst tradeofr


Guessing it would work like the "green roof" park. Owned by the city but mostly operated and maintained by Cordish. Open to the public during daylight hours, open only to residents after dark.


Most people here want the Interstate capped. Not sure I'd want it capped with those conditions. I understand Cordish's concerns because such a park might bring in a security risk at night but that really takes some premier real estate out of the urban landscape in evening. With that area being so close to a convention hotel and Sprint center, that's a lot for the city to give up even if for just the evening hours.

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Re: Two Light - 14th & Grand

Postby KCLover » Sat Sep 02, 2017 11:09 pm

If it ever gets capped, I hope they look at Citygarden in St Louis and model it somewhat after that. It's a really cool small, urban park.

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Re: Two Light - 14th & Grand

Postby Critical_Mass » Sat Sep 02, 2017 11:19 pm

Klyde Warren Park in downtown Dallas is another good example. It's pretty much the same size-- a 3 block long capped interstate greenspace.

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Re: Two Light - 14th & Grand

Postby kboish » Sun Sep 03, 2017 8:10 am

A recent ordinance passed makes all city parks closed at night

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Re: Two Light - 14th & Grand

Postby DaveKCMO » Sun Sep 03, 2017 8:12 am

The space above the freeway would need to remain public space, so Cordish could not own it (but I suspect they could manage it on the city's behalf).

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Re: Two Light - 14th & Grand

Postby flyingember » Sun Sep 03, 2017 10:22 am

I could see them helping pay for upkeep for the ability to close it for private special events.

Owning a hotel + parking garage + managing an outdoor space for a downtown event would be a good setup for them.

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Re: Two Light - 14th & Grand

Postby flyingember » Sun Sep 03, 2017 10:40 am

That's a good point. If it's 3-4 blocks long some of the space could always be open to the public

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Re: Two Light - 14th & Grand

Postby grecobs » Sun Sep 03, 2017 3:41 pm

If only KC were as progressive as Dallas...one key issue I see arising with downtown is the lack of public greenspace in the heart of thriving communities. There are no parks in Crossroads or in the River Market that are traversed daily by several different groups of people. Capping the loop would tie this entire community together, lead to a massive increase in walkability and desirability of the entire downtown ecosystem.

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Re: Two Light - 14th & Grand

Postby Highlander » Mon Sep 04, 2017 2:20 pm

So what is the extent of the capping that we are talking about here? Ideally, I'd like to see it from Bartle Hall all the way east to include the block just south of the Sprint Center. That is a wide swath and I doubt if Cordish would have much interest in the entire area. The block south of the Sprint Center would be a great little plaza out in front of the arena that would finally create the plaza space KC so desperately needs. Barney Allis Plaza is a nice little spot but it's been a huge failure as an urban park/plaza.

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Re: Two Light - 14th & Grand

Postby hgascoigne » Sat Sep 16, 2017 8:45 am

They’ve started painting the mural on the west side.

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Re: Two Light - 14th & Grand

Postby flyingember » Sat Sep 16, 2017 4:10 pm

Highlander wrote:So what is the extent of the capping that we are talking about here? Ideally, I'd like to see it from Bartle Hall all the way east to include the block just south of the Sprint Center. That is a wide swath and I doubt if Cordish would have much interest in the entire area. The block south of the Sprint Center would be a great little plaza out in front of the arena that would finally create the plaza space KC so desperately needs. Barney Allis Plaza is a nice little spot but it's been a huge failure as an urban park/plaza.

since the Grand Ballroom goes over 670 there’s no way possible to cap all the way to Bartle Hall.
But to Wyandotte would make sense.

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Re: Two Light - 14th & Grand

Postby horizons82 » Sun Sep 17, 2017 10:36 am

I thought at one point there was talk of doing a "spanish steps" type plaza on the section between Wyandotte and Baltimore?

If done right, this whole stretch of park could be a real statement piece for KC, like Millenium Park is for Chicago.

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Re: Two Light - 14th & Grand

Postby smh » Mon Sep 18, 2017 11:56 am

horizons82 wrote:I thought at one point there was talk of doing a "spanish steps" type plaza on the section between Wyandotte and Baltimore?

If done right, this whole stretch of park could be a real statement piece for KC, like Millenium Park is for Chicago.


Agreed!

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Re: Two Light - 14th & Grand

Postby DaveKCMO » Sun Sep 24, 2017 2:35 pm

hgascoigne wrote:They’ve started painting the mural on the west side.


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Re: Two Light - 14th & Grand

Postby KCPowercat » Sun Sep 24, 2017 9:29 pm

this building is impressive from the ground scale wise....

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Re: Two Light - 14th & Grand

Postby normalthings » Sun Sep 24, 2017 10:55 pm

but the glass....

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Re: Two Light - 14th & Grand

Postby TheLastGentleman » Sun Sep 24, 2017 11:35 pm

I absolutely love that the murals are being repainted! Very nice touch.
As for the glass, it really doesn't bug me that much, and this is coming from an architecture snob. It matches well with the po-mo skyscrapers and the H&R Block building, which all have colored glass. It also gives a feeling of urbanity to the P&L District with how it looms over the other buildings. I do, however, sympathize with the desire to have different facades and colors for the remaining buildings. Some masonry could be quite nice.....

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Re: Two Light - 14th & Grand

Postby normalthings » Mon Sep 25, 2017 2:47 pm

was just a joke. I too don't care about glass

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Re: Two Light - 14th & Grand

Postby TheLastGentleman » Mon Sep 25, 2017 5:49 pm

ldai_phs wrote:was just a joke. I too don't care about glass

I've been getting really bad at detecting sarcasm lately.....

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Re: Two Light - 14th & Grand

Postby grovester » Mon Sep 25, 2017 6:42 pm

Like glass is any kind of laughing matter.


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