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Post by kcjak » Thu Mar 27, 2008 2:37 pm

Too bad that a major HQ won't be part of BV and even sadder that this issue delayed the possibility of opening in time for the All-Star game. Anyone have a guess on who was more to blame - Cordish or Centene?

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Post by bleacherbum73 » Thu Mar 27, 2008 3:21 pm

Alot of people here in STL seem to think it was a combination, with a little more of the blame on Cordish. They (Cordish) don't seem to like other developers on their territory. This project will get done, just not maybe they scope people had hoped. Their is so much other development going on downtown right now. I think you will see alot more of the "chain" stores and restaurants go in. All in all, people like myself that have season tickets to the Cards and live in the city probably wouldn't visit BPV, or at least not very often. I will continue going to all the other bars near Busch Stadium like I have for these last few years. Those are the places you find the local fans hanging out, not a tourist joint that would be BPV.

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Post by rxlexi » Thu Mar 27, 2008 3:55 pm

  It's surprising to see such a major component of such a major project not get worked out in some way.  So I assume Centene is staying in Clayton then?  They would have provided a major anchor to BPV, but it will certainly get done without them.

  Bleacherbum's comments sound like many folks here prior to the opening of P&L, i.e. it's a tourist district that I won't use, etc.  But I think Cordish has proved many wrong, at least in KC with P&L; it may well be touristy, but it's also the hottest spot in the city, a ton of fun and spins off all kinds of energy into the rest of downtown.  I think BPV will be the same way in StL, with or without a major corporate anchor, although it is strange and sad for StL nerds to see it scaled down...either way though the interaction between BPV and Busch will be sweet (rooftops that look out onto the field!) and it will be a huge benefit to DT StL.
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Post by bleacherbum73 » Thu Mar 27, 2008 4:32 pm

rxlexi wrote:  It's surprising to see such a major component of such a major project not get worked out in some way.  So I assume Centene is staying in Clayton then?  They would have provided a major anchor to BPV, but it will certainly get done without them.

  Bleacherbum's comments sound like many folks here prior to the opening of P&L, i.e. it's a tourist district that I won't use, etc.  But I think Cordish has proved many wrong, at least in KC with P&L; it may well be touristy, but it's also the hottest spot in the city, a ton of fun and spins off all kinds of energy into the rest of downtown.  I think BPV will be the same way in StL, with or without a major corporate anchor, although it is strange and sad for StL nerds to see it scaled down...either way though the interaction between BPV and Busch will be sweet (rooftops that look out onto the field!) and it will be a huge benefit to DT StL.

It's not a given they will stay in Clayton, but they most likely will. Some of the things said about Cordish here in STL is they "don't like to share the sandbox" . Apparently Centene was developing their own tower and area(s) around it and Cordish wanted control over all the site.

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Post by DaveKCMO » Mon May 19, 2008 2:47 pm

http://www.inbusinesslasvegas.com/2008/05/16/qanda.html

It's time to put you on the spot. Upon reflection, did the city make the right call with the REI arena proposal, based on the choices it had?

Oh, absolutely. We've created a vision that I don't think anybody would have realized. In fact, I give credit to the assemblers, Robert Reel and Tom Prato and REI, for stepping up and creating a vision for where this could head over the next three to five years. In the redevelopment business, it's all about vision and creating value, and we've got to be a step ahead of where the market actually is in our potential investments. There are folks that think some of what we are doing downtown is not ready yet, but that's the business we're in, we're in the business of getting ahead of the marketplace.

Is there a contingency plan for that area?

The contingency plan is where it was headed before the assemblage came along, which was continued development of the Arts District and continued infill development in that area. It still represents a great investment opportunity. I don't think that area will ever get back to what it was. No matter what happens, you're going to see that 70 acres, at worst, break into smaller assemblages and more large-scale development just because it's in the way of the march northward of development along the Las Vegas Strip. The Strip is this organic thing that grows in both directions. If you wonder what's going to happen north, just go look south. It's like squeezing a tube of toothpaste: If you've got both ends open, it's going to come out of both ends.

Are there other possible arena sites, maybe closer to the Stratosphere?

We've been working with three groups: REI, Cordish and Goldman Sachs. The Goldman Sachs Whitehall fund purchased the Stratosphere and it has a collective interest in that area. Obviously, I think Goldman Sachs would love to see an arena there because it would reinforce its investment in the Stratosphere. Cordish is in the business of entertainment-themed development. If you look at its track record, it is coming off the Kansas City bar and light district, which is where it built a big arena in a large mixed-use development. It built the Hard Rock in Florida, and we're excited that it is interested in downtown. We're just trying to find a place for it to put a flag in the ground and get going, and we think this project represents that opportunity. We just have to figure out how to put that together.

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Post by FangKC » Mon May 19, 2008 3:12 pm

the Kansas City bar and light district
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Post by aknowledgeableperson » Mon May 19, 2008 8:18 pm

When did Cordish build the arena?
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Post by DaveKCMO » Tue May 20, 2008 11:03 am

aknowledgeableperson wrote:When did Cordish build the arena?


i don't think a vegas arena has been built. from the article, it sounds like one deal fell through and they're looking at another plan that involves those three companies together.

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Post by omenapt » Tue May 20, 2008 11:30 am

DaveKCMO wrote:i don't think a vegas arena has been built. from the article, it sounds like one deal fell through and they're looking at another plan that involves those three companies together.
 


I think AKP  was sarcastically asking when did  Cordish build the arena in KC, as the article mistakenly points out.

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Post by aknowledgeableperson » Tue May 20, 2008 11:32 pm

YEP.
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Post by DaveKCMO » Mon Jun 09, 2008 2:35 pm

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Post by KCMax » Wed Aug 20, 2008 12:50 pm

Louisville, Cordish sign development deal

The new Center City development -- essentially a $200 million to $435 million expansion of Cordish's 4th Street Live entertainment hub -- is planned in the so-called water company block bounded by Second, Third and Liberty streets and Muhammad Ali Boulevard.
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Post by DaveKCMO » Fri Apr 10, 2009 9:59 am

Its work in KC unfinished, Cordish eyes Portland
Cordish and the Portland Trail Blazers of the NBA are working on a plan to put an entertainment district in the city's Rose Quarter. The proposal has met skepticism in Portland, a city with "a love affair with authenticity," as one critic puts it on a blog.

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Post by staubio » Fri Apr 10, 2009 10:01 am

KCMax wrote: Louisville, Cordish sign development deal

The new Center City development -- essentially a $200 million to $435 million expansion of Cordish's 4th Street Live entertainment hub -- is planned in the so-called water company block bounded by Second, Third and Liberty streets and Muhammad Ali Boulevard.
Per a bartender at 4th Street Live, anticipation of this project has all but killed spin-off development on 4th Street and has pretty much killed the non-Cordish parts of downtown. These areas are sitting vacant waiting for the mega-project.

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Post by KCMax » Sat Oct 16, 2010 8:19 pm

Big news!

Cordish to bring a celebrity chef restaurant to its development!!!!

In Baltimore. :(

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2010-1 ... ndel-mills
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Post by warwickland » Mon Dec 13, 2010 1:42 pm

It's Baaa-aaaack....

New life for Ballpark Village?

By Doug Moore

...to the surprise of city leaders, the developers were back at the table before a city board earlier this month, saying financing is in place and tenants are ready to move in.All we need, they said, is the money from the taxes to make the project come together.

"What makes me confident that this is going to work this time is the financing. The financing is really sound," said Alderman Fred Wessels, a longtime supporter of the project who has also been one of its most vocal critics because of numerous delays.


However...

"I do not believe in the magic bullet theory," Slay said. "The vitality of our downtown — or the region — does not depend on Ballpark Village."

St. Louis is no longer as desperate for BPV, like it was 10 years ago, which puts us in a much better position. There are still projects underway and in the pipeline downtown.

read more - http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metr ... f87c9.html
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Re: Cordish projects in other cities

Post by GRID » Mon Dec 13, 2010 1:52 pm

Well...at least they know where to put things like aquariums...

I mean everybody in KC knows it would be better off in Ladue or Brentwood or even some inner burb in south county ten miles from metro rail.

But KC can show StL how stupid they are when they see the gateway project!

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Post by warwickland » Mon Dec 13, 2010 2:02 pm

Say what?  

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Post by trailerkid » Tue Jan 25, 2011 2:12 pm

Cordish to Develop $114M Outlet Center and Entertainment District in Nebraska

Sounds very similar to the Legends. Hopefully, Cordish gets some retail contacts which can extend to P+L.

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