Fixing p&l traffic backups

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Fixing p&l traffic backups

Postby KCPowercat » Wed Jan 17, 2018 4:56 pm

Valet parking....people rushing into Midland....general traffic....pedestrians being idiots....how do we fix? Discuss....

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Re: Fixing p&l traffic backups

Postby earthling » Wed Jan 17, 2018 5:04 pm

You know downtown has taken its next step toward being functional again when you have such good problems to have.

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Re: Fixing p&l traffic backups

Postby swid » Wed Jan 17, 2018 5:09 pm

I know most/all have been mentioned elsewhere, but....

1 - It would be fantastic if the Sprint Center and the Midland developed (then promoted the hell out of on social media) "how to get here" routes that directed people to the major garages without crossing Main (or at least avoided doing so on 12th through 14th, at a minimum).

2 - Someone (the Downtown CID? KCPD? Anyone?) needs to yell at the people who think it's a great idea to park in front of the T-Mobile store and block that lane approximately 100% of the time during evening rush hour.

3 - move the valet parking (especially in its "let's close down the entire street" format) to anywhere that's not 14th between Walnut and Main.

4 - pedestrianize Main between 12th and Truman, leaving the E-W streets in that section open, though.

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Re: Fixing p&l traffic backups

Postby KCPowercat » Wed Jan 17, 2018 5:35 pm

No more left turns between 12th and Truman.

Point one KC place parkers to Baltimore. I assume those entrances connect somewhere under the building?

Already stated but move the valet.

Fix the "smart" traffic light that always stops the streetcar going south before it crossed north Truman. Always!

Traffic officers

Ped and streetcar only but that's not happening.

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Re: Fixing p&l traffic backups

Postby StrangerThings » Wed Jan 17, 2018 5:37 pm

I'm following....

I agree with enforcing already in place rules. The cars parked outside of T-mobile and Chambers lofts are a constant issue. I've nearly been in fist fights telling people they can't park/drive on a road that's closed via city permit. They don't care and want to be argumentative. It probably doesn't help I'm wearing a suit and a radio, who wants to take direction from that guy?!

Moving valet is a sore topic. Most of the valet customers are going to Bristol, 801, Drunken Fish, Gallery etc, so the location is ideal.

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Re: Fixing p&l traffic backups

Postby KCPowercat » Wed Jan 17, 2018 5:42 pm

It makes sense for customers why it's there. How about reverse the valet flow? Enter from walnut, valets can then exit onto main and into garage. Queue ends up on walnut from two directions.

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Re: Fixing p&l traffic backups

Postby KCPowercat » Wed Jan 17, 2018 5:42 pm

Enforcement of parking will be better once private company starts...

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Re: Fixing p&l traffic backups

Postby StrangerThings » Wed Jan 17, 2018 5:45 pm

KCPowercat wrote:It makes sense for customers why it's there. How about reverse the valet flow? Enter from walnut, valets can then exit onto main and into garage. Queue ends up on walnut from two directions.


Completely agree. That's been done a few times, I will bring it back up.

Biggest problem down here imho is lack of proper signage. It needs to be like going to opening day at Kauffman where there's directional signage that makes it impossible to not know where to go and how to get there.

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Re: Fixing p&l traffic backups

Postby KCPowercat » Wed Jan 17, 2018 5:49 pm

I've floated message board signs on each traffic signal light before. That would help....minneapolis has these. people get so stuck to their gps though.

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Re: Fixing p&l traffic backups

Postby KCPowercat » Wed Jan 17, 2018 5:56 pm

Speaking of directions...maybe p&l can update their own. Reading just now it talks nothing of anything but driving to the district. Additionally some directions could be updated to not send people down the busiest streets.

Midland's site does mention RideKC buses (old link) but no mention of streetcar (which more people would know how to use)

Sprint center site only mentions driving.

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Re: Fixing p&l traffic backups

Postby StrangerThings » Wed Jan 17, 2018 6:11 pm

KCPowercat wrote:Speaking of directions...maybe p&l can update their own. Reading just now it talks nothing of anything but driving to the district. Additionally some directions could be updated to not send people down the busiest streets.

Midland's site does mention RideKC buses (old link) but no mention of streetcar (which more people would know how to use)

Sprint center site only mentions driving.


The district posts on social media and sends out very detailed parking information, including how to utilize the streetcar before every concert. I believe the marketing team is working on updating the complete website, including updated parking information.

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Re: Fixing p&l traffic backups

Postby KCPowercat » Wed Jan 17, 2018 6:19 pm

Went back through twitter posts of the district...not one detailed parking direction or streetcar utilization tip since December 1....no matter, having that static site updated with better directions including "hey, dorks, take streetcar here" can't hurt, right?

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Re: Fixing p&l traffic backups

Postby WoodDraw » Wed Jan 17, 2018 7:29 pm

KCPowercat wrote:Went back through twitter posts of the district...not one detailed parking direction or streetcar utilization tip since December 1....no matter, having that static site updated with better directions including "hey, dorks, take streetcar here" can't hurt, right?


It's an easy fix, but like you said, GPS feeds so many people right there. Uber too. A fix has to be more active measures and less passive measures, if that makes sense..

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Re: Fixing p&l traffic backups

Postby droopy » Wed Jan 17, 2018 7:46 pm

I believe the highway signs on northbound I-35 directs “Sprint Center traffic” to use the 14th St exit rather than Broadway (which would include Truman) or 12th Street. Just an FYI for the discussion. People coming from the south, that’s the option they’re told.

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Re: Fixing p&l traffic backups

Postby StrangerThings » Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:51 am

Confirmed they are in the final stages on a ground up and complete makeover of the website which will include better maps and directional info.

Here’s what they typically send out for every event.

A few reminders for tonight's show:
TICKETS: are $20 and available to purchase at the door.

GETTING HERE:
-Parking: is available for $3 in the Kansas City Live! garage. The garage is located on 13th Street at Grand Boulevard (with validation from a KC Live! restaurant or bar)
-KC Streetcar: Ride KC Streetcar to travel safely to and from KC Live! Stops at 12th and Main Street as well as 14th and Main Street put you just one block from KC Live!. The best part, it’s FREE to ride KC Streetcar.

VIP TERRACE GUEST INFORMATION (VIP Terrace is sold out)
-VIP Terrace Check-In: The VIP check-in is located on the second level of the KC Live! Block outside of Mosaic Ultra Lounge's stairwell. Look for the KC Live! tent. Please bring your VIP printed ticket or ticket pulled up on your mobile device to this tent to have your ticket exchanged for a VIP wristband. You must check-in and receive your wristband before accessing the VIP area.
-VIP Terrace Location: The VIP Terrace is located on the second level of KC Live! and includes the balconies between Mosaic Ultra Lounge and No Other Pub, and Mosaic's patio. Enjoy a private bar on Mosaic's patio and private restrooms inside Mosaic. The VIP Terrace area is for VIP ticketholders only. To access this area, take the stairs or elevator to the left of the VIP check-in table.

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Re: Fixing p&l traffic backups

Postby DaveKCMO » Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:17 am

the next downtown parking and transportation commission is jan. 23 at 11:30 (10th floor city hall). please come and testify with these fixes, if you can. i believe there would be support for closing truman to 12th (or restricting heavily) on event nights if there was enough of an outcry.

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Re: Fixing p&l traffic backups

Postby StrangerThings » Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:38 am

Do we think there would be heavy pushback from people coming downtown for events who are not regular downtown folks by closing main? People from the suburbs already think downtown is “inconvenient” and that parking is a nightmare. We all know that’s not true, they don’t.

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Re: Fixing p&l traffic backups

Postby KCPowercat » Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:40 am

I'd wager the biggest pushback would be downtown businesses including cordish and/or their tenants.

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Re: Fixing p&l traffic backups

Postby StrangerThings » Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:56 am

Cordish wouldn’t care. Already shut down 14th between grand and main for most concerts and Grand for Sprint Center shows. As long as people can access the paid parking garages, mains not a big deal.

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Re: Fixing p&l traffic backups

Postby horizons82 » Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:46 pm

StrangerThings wrote:Do we think there would be heavy pushback from people coming downtown for events who are not regular downtown folks by closing main? People from the suburbs already think downtown is “inconvenient” and that parking is a nightmare. We all know that’s not true, they don’t.


As long as closure is coupled with installing LED directional signs on Truman, Grand, etc I think suburbanites would handle it well.


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