Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

Postby bhedges1987 » Wed May 13, 2015 1:00 pm

I would love one down there. That would just add more people going downtown to enjoy life and spend money. It would be beautiful, and it will never happen.

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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

Postby aknowledgeableperson » Thu May 14, 2015 1:25 am

Not this topic again. It's been gone over and over so many times.

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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

Postby mgh7676 » Mon Oct 19, 2015 10:58 am

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A tale of two stadia: 19,000 parking spaces vs a city full of people
http://www.treehugger.com/urban-design/picture-worth-tale-two-baseball-stadiums-2.html

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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

Postby flyingember » Mon Oct 19, 2015 1:26 pm

How to tell sports stadiums don't lead to economic development? the image on the right.

42 years and the entire area is lacking for almost anything to do with going to an event.
And the area around the stadiums would not be a hard area to find places to declare blighted.

I like the idea of the royals being downtown instead but it needs to come with the team finding the money or being a larger regional effort

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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

Postby beautyfromashes » Mon Oct 19, 2015 4:31 pm

^^ yeah, but looks likes it sandwiched between two highway trenches. Any residential there would be like camping in the middle of a divided highway.

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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

Postby aknowledgeableperson » Tue Oct 20, 2015 8:47 am

Comparing Toronto to Kansas City isn't even comparing apples to oranges. From wiki:
"The Greater Toronto Area is a commercial, distribution, financial and economic centre, being the third largest financial centre in North America.[44] The region as a whole generates about a fifth of the GDP of Canada, and is home to 40% of Canada's business headquarters.[45][46] The economies of the municipalities in Greater Toronto themselves are largely intertwined with one another.[47] The work force is made up of approximately 2.9 million people and more than 100,000 companies[48] The Greater Toronto Area currently produces nearly 20% of the entire nation's GDP with $323 Billion, and from 1992 to 2002, experienced an average GDP growth rate of 4.0% and a job creation rate of 2.4% (compared to the national average GDP growth rate of 3% and job creation rate of 1.6%).[45][49] Currently, over 51% of the labour force in the Greater Toronto Area is employed in the service sector, with 19% in the manufacturing, 17% of the labour force employed in wholesale & retail trade, 8% of the labour force involved in transportation, communication &utilities, and 5% of the workforce is involved in construction.[50] Despite the fact that the service industry makes up only 51% of Greater Toronto's workforce, over 72% of the region's GDP is generated by service industries.[45]

The largest industry in the Greater Toronto Area is the financial services in the province, accounting for an estimated 25% of the region's GDP.[45] Notably, the five largest banks in Canada all have their operational headquarters located in Toronto's Financial District.[51] Toronto is also where the headquarters of the Toronto Stock Exchange and the Standard and Poor TSX Composite Index are located, with offices of the TSX Venture Exchange also located in Toronto.[51] The TMX Group, the owners and operators of TSX Exchanges as well as the Montreal Exchange are also headquartered in Toronto. The TSX and the TSX Venture Exchange represent 3,369 companies, including more than half of the world’s publicly traded mining companies.[51]

Markham also attracted the highest concentration of high tech companies in Canada, and because of it, has positioned itself as Canada's High-Tech Capital.[52] The Greater Toronto Area is currently the second largest automotive centre in North America (after Detroit). Currently,[when?] General Motors, Ford and Chrysler run six assembly plants in the area, with Honda and Toyota having assembly plants just outside of the GTA. General Motors, Ford, Honda, KIA, Mazda, Suzuki, Nissan, Volkswagen, Toyota, Hyundai, Aston Martin, Jaguar, Land Rover, Subaru, Volvo, BMW, and Mitsubishi have chosen the Greater Toronto Area for their Canadian headquarters.[53] Magna International, the world's most diversified car supplier,[54] also has its headquarters located in Aurora.[55] The entire automobile industry within the region accounts for roughly 10% of the region's GDP."

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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

Postby flyingember » Tue Oct 20, 2015 9:27 am

beautyfromashes wrote:^^ yeah, but looks likes it sandwiched between two highway trenches. Any residential there would be like camping in the middle of a divided highway.


Not residential necessarily, I was thinking more of an entertainment district, restaurants and such

you can see the problem in gaining entertainment-centric development around any notable professional sports major stadium or arena in the region.

KC-
The Legends and P&L have three between them. The Legends was sold by the city and P&L needs massive subsidies.
that's three stadiums/arenas that didn't help those entertainment districts

St. Louis-
Ball Park Village was majorly delayed and is mostly a parking lot and there's a massive parking lot just to the south
The hockey arena is close to the largely abandoned Union Station and a block away is a bunch of parking lots
the football arena has multiple blocks to the north unused

Springfield
the Cardinals associated minor league stadium and the city's project at that park is still mostly industrial, parking lots or empty fields.

KC: 5x
St. Louis: 3x
Springfield: 1x

that's 9 stadiums or arenas that didn't lead to notable development around them.

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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

Postby bobbyhawks » Tue Oct 20, 2015 10:13 am

Probably worth noting that Legends is not at all an urban area, Springfield doesn't have a real "downtown" or enough people to make it significant, and Sprint Center does not have a major sports franchise. I think to compare the possibility of a downtown Royals stadium, you'd have to look to the most recent downtown stadiums in major metro areas that didn't already have a downtown stadium.

There aren't a ton of examples of stadiums that have been built lately in a downtown that didn't have downtown baseball already, but DC shows some of the development that can happen in concert with a stadium. Development halted, as with STL, during the recession, but is picking back up. Note the residential and the whole foods:

http://www.jdland.com/dc/visiting-nats-park.cfm?show=whatsnew

Obviously, that is a huge metro area. While economic development is largely tied to other factors, the residential gains can be important to an urban area. Also, stadiums tend to come with significant infrastructure upgrades attached. Target Field led to Target Field Station, which has won a number of urban design awards. If you are spending $500 million on a new stadium, suddenly a $100 million streetcar or commuter rail extension are easier to sell.

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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

Postby brewcrew1000 » Tue Oct 20, 2015 10:41 am

What about Omaha and TD ameritrade park, a lot of new retail and restaurants have gone up as a result of that new downtown stadium.

Also, was Petco Park the main thing that kind of revitalized the GasLamp Quarter in SD?

Bricktown was kind of a result of the Ballpark and Arena being built down there

Tulsa is going under a little revitalization in its downtown and the BOK Center and the new AA stadium helped that

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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

Postby beautyfromashes » Tue Oct 20, 2015 10:53 am

Open air or retractable roof?

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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

Postby flyingember » Tue Oct 20, 2015 11:23 am

Omaha has warehouses across the street.
It's hard to claim a stadium has an entertainment district effect when right next to it is an industrial district

Tulsa, the street view is a year old, but it has industrial on two sides.

There's clearly exceptions but you can find stadium after stadium that didn't help a city right next to the stadium.

And if people don't want to develop next to it, how can anyone claim the stadium drew the redevelopment?

Remember, The Crossroads was an industrial district originally. Now it's well on it's way to not being one.

At the current rate I think every building along the terminal railroad is going to be office or residential
Next to the Kauffman Center is going the same way.
There used to be railroad lines down all the alleys west of Grand. only a single block behind Grand connects to the railroad anymore.

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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

Postby AllThingsKC » Sun Nov 01, 2015 9:44 am

So, as long as we're comparing neighborhoods around baseball stadiums, anyone notice the neighborhood around NYC's Citi Field?

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_eye/2013 ... rhood.html
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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

Postby bobbyhawks » Sun Nov 01, 2015 2:30 pm

AllThingsKC wrote:So, as long as we're comparing neighborhoods around baseball stadiums, anyone notice the neighborhood around NYC's Citi Field?

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_eye/2013 ... rhood.html

Are you referring to the proposed $3 billion redevelopment of one of the ugliest places in NYC that would never ever have been proposed without a stadium?

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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

Postby mean » Sun Nov 01, 2015 2:56 pm

I'm not sure whether you're being sarcastic, but that seems pretty dubious considering there was a different stadium in essentially the same spot for some 50ish years before that.

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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

Postby bobbyhawks » Sun Nov 01, 2015 7:18 pm

I guess I just don't see how that area was going to organically grow beyond what it has become without some major influx of investment. Regardless of the past nearby development, I don't think it would be on the development radar at all without a stadium. NYC is a city with nothing but dense urban areas for developers to choose from. There are still a lot of options for investment like this, but the only reason it is being singled out, as far as I can tell, is because of the baseball stadium.

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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

Postby aknowledgeableperson » Mon Nov 02, 2015 3:09 am

Considering the parking lots to the north, west and south of the stadium it may be in an urban location but it is not dense. Then you have highways on three sides. You have a small area to the east and northeast of the stadium for development but given the looks at the area it might just have been one of those "urban areas for developers to choose from" with or without the stadium. Especially since the newer stadium has been open since 2009.

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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

Postby kcjak » Mon Nov 02, 2015 9:05 am

AllThingsKC wrote:So, as long as we're comparing neighborhoods around baseball stadiums, anyone notice the neighborhood around NYC's Citi Field?

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_eye/2013 ... rhood.html

Wow - that doesn't even look like anything I've ever seen in the US!

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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

Postby beautyfromashes » Mon Nov 02, 2015 2:12 pm

kcjak wrote:Wow - that doesn't even look like anything I've ever seen in the US!


Looks like NY to me!

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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

Postby loftguy » Tue Nov 03, 2015 10:27 am

kcjak wrote:
AllThingsKC wrote:So, as long as we're comparing neighborhoods around baseball stadiums, anyone notice the neighborhood around NYC's Citi Field?

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_eye/2013 ... rhood.html

Wow - that doesn't even look like anything I've ever seen in the US!



Go to 12th and Spruce, on the east side of Kansas City.

Park your car and slowly walk the three blocks to 9th.

I'm serious.

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Re: Would you like to see the Royals move to a downtown stadium?

Postby FangKC » Wed Dec 09, 2015 10:06 pm

KCDowntowners tweeted (through Jared Miller) that Bill Dietrich, President & CEO, Downtown Council of Kansas City, says there will be a conversation about a downtown baseball stadium within the next five years.

https://twitter.com/jrmiller962/status/674665609356013568

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