NHL OR NBA, let the message board decide!!

[aknowledgeableperson]

Listing the loss of the Scouts almost 40 years ago as a 'con' is getting absurd. And I just can't see hockey working in Las Vegas - seems more of an NBA city, and if the NBA were to go to Vegas there's no way the NHL should move in.

Especially since the last two of the last four NHL franchises to relocate moved to cities that had previously lost franchises (Denver and Winnipeg) and two expansion teams went to cities that lost a franchise (Minneapolis and Atlanta, which has already moved).

Get a local owner with resources and all of those concerns and worries goes away. The number one issue facing KC, right now, in securing either a NBA or NHL team is an ownership group willing to make the effort to get a franchise. Why should either league put a team in KC if there is no ownership group making its case.

[KCMax]

Listing the loss of the Scouts almost 40 years ago as a 'con' is getting absurd. And I just can't see hockey working in Las Vegas - seems more of an NBA city, and if the NBA were to go to Vegas there's no way the NHL should move in.

Especially since the last two of the last four NHL franchises to relocate moved to cities that had previously lost franchises (Denver and Winnipeg) and two expansion teams went to cities that lost a franchise (Minneapolis and Atlanta, which has already moved).

Get a local owner with resources and all of those concerns and worries goes away. The number one issue facing KC, right now, in securing either a NBA or NHL team is an ownership group willing to make the effort to get a franchise. Why should either league put a team in KC if there is no ownership group making its case.

That's true to an extent, but there have certainly been out-of-town owners who have moved to a market because it was lucrative. Lamar Hunt wasn't from Kansas City when he brought pro-football here.

[aknowledgeableperson]

Lamar Hunt wasn't from Kansas City when he brought pro-football here.

A completely different time and circumstance. Hunt was being run out of his hometown by the Cowboys, especially with two leagues competing for cities.
Anyway, that example is more than 10 years older than the city losing the Scouts which you objected to using as a reason to consider.

[KCMax]

Lamar Hunt wasn't from Kansas City when he brought pro-football here.

A completely different time and circumstance. Hunt was being run out of his hometown by the Cowboys, especially with two leagues competing for cities.
Anyway, that example is more than 10 years older than the city losing the Scouts which you objected to using as a reason to consider.

Okay then, Art Modell (Browns/Ravens), Bud Adams (Oilers/Titans), Peter Karmanos (Whalers/Hurricanes), Norman Green (Stars), Michael Heisley (Grizzlies), and George Shinn (Hornets/Pelicans) were all recent example of out-of-town owners relocating a team to a city.

[aknowledgeableperson]

So the argument just goes around and around. Face it though, KC ranks low in attracting a team for the SC. The only way for KC to move up the ranks is to get local ownership either willing to buy an existing team or an expansion team if either league goes the expansion route. Especially in light of the way the SC is performing financially for AEG. And the city leaders do not seem to be putting any pressure on AEG or either league to move a team here.

[brewcrew1000]

How are the Florida Panthers still in Florida, this is pathetic
http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nhl/f ... 73133.html

[KCMax]

So the argument just goes around and around. Face it though, KC ranks low in attracting a team for the SC. The only way for KC to move up the ranks is to get local ownership either willing to buy an existing team or an expansion team if either league goes the expansion route. Especially in light of the way the SC is performing financially for AEG. And the city leaders do not seem to be putting any pressure on AEG or either league to move a team here.

Agree. SC and the city have let us down.

[kucer]

Went to a Bruins game over the weekend...gawd damn...I wish we had a hockey team.

[aknowledgeableperson]

SC and the city have let us down.

That part I don't agree with. So far it is not a letdown. Need to strike a deal that is more favorable to the city. Many times the best deal made are the ones that you don't make.

[longviewmo]

SC and the city have let us down.

That part I don't agree with. So far it is not a letdown. Need to strike a deal that is more favorable to the city. Many times the best deal made are the ones that you don't make.

Seven years isn't a let down?

[chaglang]

It's disappointing, but do we know for sure that the SC having an open schedule isn't more profitable? Has anyone done some sort of analysis on that?

[TheBigChuckbowski]

It's disappointing, but do we know for sure that the SC having an open schedule isn't more profitable? Has anyone done some sort of analysis on that?

Why should we care if the Sprint Center is more profitable?

[chaglang]

It's disappointing, but do we know for sure that the SC having an open schedule isn't more profitable? Has anyone done some sort of analysis on that?

Why should we care if the Sprint Center is more profitable?

Guess it depends on what we're in it for. Considering that sports attendance is usually tied to the quality of the team, is having an open calendar a more reliable draw? In theory that would be better for the surrounding area- whatever meagre benefits stadiums have on local businesses would be amplified.

[aknowledgeableperson]

It's disappointing, but do we know for sure that the SC having an open schedule isn't more profitable? Has anyone done some sort of analysis on that?

The arena is one thing, the operator, or partners, of the arena is another.

In considering AEG their operation is profitable because they get to keep all of the profits only sharing a small portion with the City. Throw a NBA or NHL team into the mix that profitability (to AEG) goes down and may even disappear. The arena stays profitable but those revenues are shared not with two parties - AEG and the City - but with three - add the team. And that team demands such a large share that it could take all of the profit and then some.

[KCMax]

Mellinger Twitter Tuesday

The people at the Sprint Center are rightfully proud of the fact that they’ve turned a profit for the city without having an anchor tenant. That’s great. Kansas City needs more profit. But where it gets silly is when not having an anchor tenant is sometimes presented as a good thing. If I worked at the Sprint Center, it’s absolutely the case I’d be making. And no matter what, they can point to the profit they’re turning as a bit of “scoreboard.”

Because, we’re all adults here, right? Tonight, the Trans-Siberian Orchestra performs at Sprint, and I’m sure it’ll be a wonderful show. I really do dig that one song. But after tonight, Sprint has just one event in the next 24 days. And it’s on a Tuesday.

NBA teams have about 45 games left, so let’s call it 23 home games. The last day of the regular season is April 15. That’s 114 days. The Sprint Center is open for 83 of those days, including 17 Saturdays or Sundays.

The idea that the Sprint Center is somehow better off being empty instead of full of somewhere between 13,833^ and 18,972^^ fans with wallets 41 regular season nights plus preseason and playoffs is so ridiculous I can’t believe that anyone believes it.

Thank you Sam.

[aknowledgeableperson]

Yes, the Sprint Center is better off since that it doesn't have a team. A team that will drain the AEG and city of funds to help support the teams operation.

[pash]

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[aknowledgeableperson]

The problem is it is not equal. A sports team would demand most if not all suite revenue, even for non-team events. Also most if not all advertising revenue. All of both now go into AEG's pockets and from there a portion on to the city. That's not counting concessions and other vendor sales. In markets like KC that is why a team would want control of the arena, not just be a tenant.

[KCMax]

Yes, the Sprint Center is better off since that it doesn't have a team. A team that will drain the AEG and city of funds to help support the teams operation.

This may or may not be true, but that's never been the line AEG has parroted.

[AllThingsKC]

This may or may not be true, but that's never been the line AEG has parroted.

Is this is the same AEG that promised to have a team within the first 3 years?