2013 - 2014 College Basketball Season

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harbinger911 wrote: Why can't MU find a solid basketball coach?
Everything went downhill after they fired Quin Snyder.
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Maybe, they should hire Danny Manning. ;)
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Ha. All true but sports smack talk just has an empty ring to it when one's own team is beat by on thier own court by Southern Miss in the NIT.
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I have to agree that the KU effort on Sunday was pretty pathetic. I doubt any little kids cried when MU lost in the NIT.

It will be interesting to look at the PASE by conference when all is said and done. It was always clear by the efficiency numbers that Kentucky and Tennessee were not seeded correctly.
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WHAT PACT HAS SCOTT DREW MADE WITH THE DEVIL? This is his 3 Sweet 16 appearance in five years.
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harbinger911 wrote:SEC has all 3 teams left(6-0)! PERFECT!

TOTAL DOMINATION in basketball too.
Actually 7-0 as Tennessee had a play-in game.
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Wayne Selden is coming back for his sophomore season.
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KCMax wrote:Wayne Selden is coming back for his sophomore season.
That's a big deal. Pretty much ensures another season of getting trolled in the most flattering way, a la above.
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chingon wrote:
KCMax wrote:Wayne Selden is coming back for his sophomore season.
That's a big deal. Pretty much ensures another season of getting trolled in the most flattering way, a la above.
Selden was kind of underwhelming though. Never looked bad, just looked like he wasn't always part of the game.
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Highlander wrote:
chingon wrote:
KCMax wrote:Wayne Selden is coming back for his sophomore season.
That's a big deal. Pretty much ensures another season of getting trolled in the most flattering way, a la above.
Selden was kind of underwhelming though. Never looked bad, just looked like he wasn't always part of the game.
Very underwhelming, except for 3 or 4 kind of WOW games, but he was a solid producer, and I personally think it must be hard to pass up a first round or even high second opportunity. His game has lots of holes: D, outside shooting, turnovers, but the 2 most critical of those are most definitely developmental skills. I'm not sure the 3 ball ever comes if you reach AA status and your stroke is not there. The other thing to bear in mind is that he was "starting behind" Wiggins and Embiid in Self's hi-lo offensive sets, so there's the very real possibility that his potential was stunted by the fact that the gameplan never ran through him in any real way, a situtation which might or might not change next year, depending on how Cliff Alexander and Oubre show out, but 9.7 a game as a freshman is nothing to sneeze at, and it suggest a sophomore season were one could realistically expect 12-14 ppg production. Which would be a big deal.
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I think some people have in the course of one stellar freshmen class forgotton how most players in Self's program have progressed throughout their careers. The leaps that certain players took when they were called upon to be feature components of the offense are tremendous. If you looked at the Morrii, Thomas Robinson, Tyshawn Taylor, Elijah Johnson, Travis Releford, Brady Morningstar, Tyrel Reed, Jeff Withey, etc... none of those guys were required to do anything amazing from the get go, and all of them ended up being high quality players. Most of them did not get very much experience early on.

We just got done having the back-to-back best years ever for freshmen at KU. Wiggins was the best we have ever had as a scorer, and Embiid had one of the most impactful years for a freshman ever. One of Self's strengths as a coach has been in helping players to grow from year to year. When you look at Selden as a freshmen compared to others in program history, he had a pretty productive year. If you are going to compare him to what are probably two of the top 5 or 10 freshmen overall in KU history, then it is probably a bit unfair. Some of the best KU players ever had mediocre debuts or started off in the shadows of other players.
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harbinger911 wrote:Big 12 = GONE. :lol:
overrated, pathetic,

SEC STILL STANDING!
NCAA selection committee should be hung.
Hung for making the right selections? About the only thing you can argue is Kentucky's and Tennessee's seed - and both will be likely gone by the time the night is over.

Mizzou, Georgia, LSU and Arkansas stunk up the NIT - none of the them were tournament worthy. Ole Miss didn't even make the NIT - nor should they have. Florida is doing exactly what the selection committee thought they would. Dayton has as much beef with the NCAA selection committee as anyone in the SEC.

The SEC is horribly top heavy. Two good programs. Tennessee shows up once in a while and Mizzou appears to be treading water at best under Haith. And Southern Mississippi, by the way, didn't win the NIT. They got beat by Minnesota.
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harbinger911 wrote:Big 12 = GONE. :lol:
overrated, pathetic,

SEC STILL STANDING!
NCAA selection committee should be hung.

WHAT ABOUT THE BIG TEN? ESPECIALLY THE STATE OF MICHIGAN.
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It's a top heavy tournament. Most of the people in my pool - a completely scientific sampling, btw - have some combination of Michigan, Michigan State, Louisville, Arizona, Florida, and Kansas in the Final Four. Four of those six teams are still standing.

The SEC is having a nice tournament, but yes, they were a very top heavy conference during the regular season. It was Florida and the 14 Dwarfs. Georgia, the #3 team in the conference, didn't even make the tournament, and their #2 was thrown in as an 8 seed (tho they should have been a 6 or so). That's a level of disdain that the committee usually reserves for the PAC12. I'm sure the NIT was delighted at the influx of so many big name schools. The committee did screw up a bit with the Tennessee seeding. Ken Pomeroy had Tennessee ranked as the 8th best team in the country before the tournament. Seeding them as an 11 and putting them in a play-in was ridiculous.

Nice job by Kentucky getting it together in the nick of time. The second half of the UK-Lousiville game was the most entertaining 20 minutes of the tournament so far.

The NCAA needs to stop playing games in arenas where the benches are 3' below the court.
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What are the odds of a all SEC finals?
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50/50. Either there isn't or there is.
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AllThingsKC wrote:50/50. Either there isn't or there is.
Actually, statistically it's only 25%. Each team has a 50% chance of winning but both teams have to win. .5 x .5 = 0.25.
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I should have seen this Final Four coming.

You take the best team in the country, Florida, and figure out that their only 2 losses are to Wisconsin and Connecticut. Add the 2nd best team in the SEC (Kentucky), and there's your Final Four.
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Highlander wrote:
AllThingsKC wrote:50/50. Either there isn't or there is.
Actually, statistically it's only 25%. Each team has a 50% chance of winning but both teams have to win. .5 x .5 = 0.25.
If you use the Kenpom.com numbers, the chances are closer to 34% (Florida is 74% to win, and Kentucky is 46%).
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