Charlie Weis to KU

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Charlie Weis to KU

Post by kcmetro » Thu Dec 08, 2011 5:25 pm

Charlie Weis will be named KU's new head football coach tomorrow.

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Re: Charlie Weis to KU

Post by KCMax » Thu Dec 08, 2011 5:25 pm

Rumor is Jim Leavitt will be DC.

Good hire considering how unattractive the job is. Great name that can hopefully rejuvenate the program.

And we can bring back the "our coach can eat your coach" t-shirts!

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Re: Charlie Weis to KU

Post by kcmetro » Thu Dec 08, 2011 5:27 pm

Leavitt as DC would be awesome. Hope it happens!

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Re: Charlie Weis to KU

Post by KCPowercat » Thu Dec 08, 2011 5:54 pm

Would have been better to keep Turner....wow.

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Re: Charlie Weis to KU

Post by kcmetro » Thu Dec 08, 2011 5:56 pm

KCPowercat wrote:Would have been better to keep Turner....wow.
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Re: Charlie Weis to KU

Post by KCPowercat » Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:00 pm

Completely. Are you honestly excited for this hire?

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Re: Charlie Weis to KU

Post by kcmetro » Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:01 pm

KCPowercat wrote:Completely. Are you honestly excited for this hire?
I don't know how he'll do, but he can't do any worse than Gill.

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Re: Charlie Weis to KU

Post by KCPowercat » Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:04 pm

Well that's a bold statement. My statement partially takes into account the money KU still has to pay Turner.

It's okay if you are excited....we won't pull it up in 2014 or anything :)

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Re: Charlie Weis to KU

Post by kcmetro » Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:07 pm

KCPowercat wrote:Well that's a bold statement. My statement partially takes into account the money KU still has to pay Turner.

It's okay if you are excited....we won't pull it up in 2014 or anything :)
I think he needs to bring in a good DC if he's going to be successful. If he does, then I'll be a lot more confident in the hire. No more "homerun hire" comments from me. :lol:

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Re: Charlie Weis to KU

Post by bobbyhawks » Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:32 pm

KCPowercat wrote:Well that's a bold statement. My statement partially takes into account the money KU still has to pay Turner.

It's okay if you are excited....we won't pull it up in 2014 or anything :)
I don't think it is bold at all to say he won't be as bad as Turner Gill. 1990's KU would laugh about how terrible we were over the last few years.

As mentioned, I'm still not sure what to make of it, but given the position KU was in, we could either try to give a name guy a second chance, or we could take a stab at finding the next great coach from a heap of coordinators. I think the easiest way to put a positive spin on it is that Weis will get in the door of a lot more players than Turner Gill or any young coordinator could dream of. Some at Notre Dame would criticize his recruiting because they didn't win as often after a few years, but he still landed five star players regularly. People know his name. There are certainly negatives, but any pick KU made was going to have some risk. At the very worst, we will recruit better and be bad to moderately bad (2 to 5 win seasons). Gill's legacy was to lose recruits, and the team was getting worse and playing with less heart every weak.

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Re: Charlie Weis to KU

Post by WSPanic » Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:40 pm

KCPowercat wrote:Well that's a bold statement. My statement partially takes into account the money KU still has to pay Turner.

It's okay if you are excited....we won't pull it up in 2014 or anything :)
Why any fans - no less the fans of opposing schools - really think they understand the true effects of money on this situation baffles me. Money has nothing to do with the situation and you saying you're somehow "taking that into account" is pretty laughable, really.

I don't have a lot of love for the idea of Weis, but we could do worse - including keeping Gill.

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Re: Charlie Weis to KU

Post by KCPowercat » Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:46 pm

Best of luck.

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Re: Charlie Weis to KU

Post by KCPowercat » Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:27 pm

Word is the press conference will announce Weis and the 2014 coaching search has begun.

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Re: Charlie Weis to KU

Post by AllThingsKC » Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:34 pm

Wait. So, Weis openly hates Kansas City? Doesn't he know know KC is a KU town???????????
It was little secret that Weis wasn't fond of Kansas City during his time with the Chiefs, and he moved on to the Gators in part so that he could be near his son, who is also on the football staff. He bought a horse farm in nearby Ocala, and has several health issues that could hamper recruiting.
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Re: Charlie Weis to KU

Post by KCMax » Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:51 pm

I don't particularly like this hire. Yes, he's better than Turner Gill, but we should probably aim for a higher bar than that. I want a lifer, or at least someone that will be here long enough to build something good, and I don't really get the sense that Weis will be here 6-7 years from now. Every account sounds like he is an abrasive personality who is not very up front with people which rubs many the wrong way. He's also been criticized for being a shoddy recruiter and not all that great in game management. I just don't get this move.

I wanted a young guy with some head coaching experience who had done good work at a non-BCS school. Kevin Sumlin was my dream hire, but was probably a pipe dream. Dave Doeren at No. Illinois would have been nice. Failing that, I wanted an experienced coach who had fallen out of favor. I heard about Phillip Fulmer being interested in the job and was intrigued. I guess Charlie Weis fits that mold, but I was kinda hoping for someone that had experienced a bit more success. I guess this could work out and its certainly given KU the kind of attention it wanted, but I hope this isn't style over substance.

My prediction - he is here four years, brings us to barely mediocrity (5 or 6 win seasons), then gets fired because he and Zenger don't get along.

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Re: Charlie Weis to KU

Post by bobbyhawks » Fri Dec 09, 2011 10:54 am

To be fair, Weis took an underperforming Notre Dame job and landed top 10 or 25 recruiting classes every year he was there. That is to be expected at Notre Dame, but he didn't exactly flounder. The '05 Willingham class wasn't in the top 25, then Weis followed that up with #5, #11, #2, #23. The last year was "bad" (would be amazing for KU), but people were talking about him leaving all off-season before then.

He may be abrasive, but I've also read stories about how difficult it is at Notre Dame to be the little puppet for the big donors that they want you to be, not unlike Gillespie at Kentucky. I doubt many would dispute Gillespie's coaching prowess, but sometimes a guy is just not a fit to be around people with unreasonable expectations. This could be the low key job he was looking for, and the real reason why he chose to come to KU. It is still a big gamble, but KU was going to have to gamble regardless of who they hired. If it works, there will be a lot of people eating crow, not unlike the number eating crow for saying bringing Snyder back was a bad idea (I'm pretty sure I was in that category).

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Re: Charlie Weis to KU

Post by KCPowercat » Fri Dec 09, 2011 11:21 am

Well can't argue with what he did with the offense in Floridia.

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Re: Charlie Weis to KU

Post by NDTeve » Fri Dec 09, 2011 11:29 am

KCPowercat wrote:Well can't argue with what he did with the offense in Floridia.
Can't wait till old balls retires. KSU back to nothing.

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Re: Charlie Weis to KU

Post by KCPowercat » Fri Dec 09, 2011 11:34 am

Lol. Thanks for worrying about little old ksu in the thread about your new coach.

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