TIME TO FREAK OUT AGAIN ABOUT CONFERENCE REALIGNMENT! THE BIG 12 IS DEAD! MAYBE!

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MoMan wrote: The governor saying that the state should listen if the Big X shows interest hardly amounts to whorishly lobbying for admission with desperate urgency.  Buying an invitation to a BCS bowl--now that's what a whorish and desperate university would do.

As for the allure of Missouri's 6 million potential TV viewers, there are plenty of states with larger--and frankly far more sports-crazed--populations that the Big X could court.  Tennessee, for example.  Or Texas.  Or Florida.  Or North Carolina.  Or Georgia.  Or Massachusetts.  So why would Mizzou figure so prominently on everybody's list of most likely expansion candidates if the school didn't offer something else...something like a very respectable athletic and academic reputation? 

And if population is so important, why would Nebraska be on the list of candidates?  It has even fewer TV sets than Kansas, for God's sake.

Maybe all those talking heads who have Mizzou high on the list of expansion candidates are just a little more knowledgeable and a little less afraid of the future than certain kcrag posters.

It's entirely possible that the Big X will surprise a lot of people and not extend Mizzou an invitation.  If that happens, it'll be disappointing to many MU fans, and cause for celebration to others.  But however it plays out, one thing seems clear: Fans of the the Big XII schools that nobody is talking about, and that no conference has on its wish list, are the only ones who see Mizzou as undeserving.  Smells like jealousy to me.
Nobody's jealous.  The governor might not be whoring around, but you've certainly been the Big 10's biggest whore on here the past month, ready to explode if the Big 10 makes an offer to Mizzou.  And I'd like to know what you mean by "buying" a BCS bowl.  MU fans need to come to terms with the fact that they weren't invited to the Orange because they had 2 losses, and both being to the same team, while KU only had one loss.  Which looks better to a non-biased committee?  A 2-loss team or a 1-loss team?  It was a no-brainer.  But MU fans still can't accept that for some reason.

Don't bring Tennessee into this mix.  Why the hell would they leave the SEC for the Big 10?  Makes no fucking sense at all.  Missouri is one of the few schools that would leave their conference.  That and their TV market is why the Big 10 expressed interest in them.  It has nothing to do with MU's academics.  They're at the bottom of the ladder in terms of academics, even in the Big 12.  A few spots below KU to be exact.  And as others have pointed out, their athletic achievement has been rather sorry since the inception of the Big 12, so it's not like the Big 10 would be bringing in a football or basketball powerhouse.

This whole deal is about the STL and KC markets.  That's it.  Geographically it also would make sense for MU to join the Big 10 due to how close it is to Illinois and Iowa, and the fact that it doesn't exactly have a lot of weight to push around in the Big 12 right now.  It's Texas' bitch, just like most other schools, and the MU fans absolutely hate that.
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As for the allure of Missouri's 6 million potential TV viewers, there are plenty of states with larger--and frankly far more sports-crazed--populations that the Big X could court.  Tennessee, for example.  Or Texas.  Or Florida.  Or North Carolina.  Or Georgia.  Or Massachusetts.  So why would Mizzou figure so prominently on everybody's list of most likely expansion candidates if the school didn't offer something else...something like a very respectable athletic and academic reputation? 

And if population is so important, why would Nebraska be on the list of candidates?  It has even fewer TV sets than Kansas, for God's sake.

Nebraska is a candidate because they have a national following and actually bring some respectability and cache to the table in athletics, specifically football.  See the 68 Big XII conference titles, second most in the league.

Mizzou makes senses geographically, they bring an entire state population and two major media markets, with St. Louis positioned more of a Big 10 market as it is.

As far as the silly talk about Tennessee or Florida leaving the SEC, let's stop the nonsense.  Same goes for Texas.  Hell, Texas could go independent, operate the highest budget in all of college athletics and still make more money than half of the Big XII combined.
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MidtownCat wrote: Mizzou makes senses geographically, they bring an entire state population and two major media markets, with St. Louis positioned more of a Big 10 market as it is.
Allegedly brings two major media markets.  If KC is being touted as a selling point, MU better hope that the B10 doesn't wake up and realize that KU/KSU TV sets outnumber MU TV sets 3 to 1 in the Kansas City market
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beautyfromashes wrote: This desperatation to fit in and feel 'East Coast' is a St. Louis trait.  Shouldn't be a big surprise.
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As much as everyone on here is enjoying this back and forth Mizzou/KU bashing/praising, why would any of you ever want to give that up.  I mean, you've gone on for pages and pages and days and days on this topic.  It's obviously something that you enjoy.  Why would you want that to change with MU and KU being in different conferences?!?!
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beautyfromashes wrote: As much as everyone on here is enjoying this back and forth Mizzou/KU bashing/praising, why would any of you ever want to give that up.  I mean, you've gone on for pages and pages and days and days on this topic.  It's obviously something that you enjoy.  Why would you want that to change with MU and KU being in different conferences?!?!
I would prefer MU didn't leave the conference. For both the sake of KC and traditional Big 6,7,8,XII rivalries.
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In all probability the football and basketball games would continue as non-conference games, taking place annually at Arrowhead and Sprint Center.
I may be right.  I may be wrong.  But there is a lot of gray area in-between.
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aknowledgeableperson wrote: In all probability the football and basketball games would continue as non-conference games, taking place annually at Arrowhead and Sprint Center.
How would that not be a watered down version of the border war?
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aknowledgeableperson wrote: In all probability the football and basketball games would continue as non-conference games, taking place annually at Arrowhead and Sprint Center.
And that would still suck.  If nothing is on the line, like a Big 12 north title, then it loses much of its meaning to the fans.
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aknowledgeableperson wrote: In all probability the football and basketball games would continue as non-conference games, taking place annually at Arrowhead and Sprint Center.
All probability? Not so fast. That's pretty much pure speculation and fantasy.

Basketball would be once a year - if at all. And I doubt it would be a Sprint Center event.

And there's no guarantee the football would continue. And I doubt it would. Maybe every five years or something. But, the way college football schedules are put together, I don't see KU or MU wasting their one decent out of conf game each year on each other.

Plus, all of the other Big 6,7,8 and XII rivalries that will change because of this. I just think it sucks.
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Who cares if it does?  If MU is willing to help blow up the whole landscape of college sports, all because their fans are too broke-dick to support revenue generating athletics on their own, then screw 'em.  They need the rivalry a hell of a lot more than we do - go ahead and scratch off their only sure thing home sell outs and national TV games. 
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LenexatoKCMO wrote: Who cares if it does?  If MU is willing to help blow up the whole landscape of college sports, all because their fans are too broke-dick to support revenue generating athletics on their own, then screw 'em.  They need the rivalry a hell of a lot more than we do - go ahead and scratch off their only sure thing home sell outs and national TV games.   
This is starting to feel like a couples therapy session...or divorce negotiation.  KU~you need MU.  MU~you need KU.  How about a hug and then you can get back to your grumpy old couple bickering again?
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beautyfromashes wrote: This is starting to feel like a couples therapy session...or divorce negotiation.  KU~you need MU.  MU~you need KU.  How about a hug and then you can get back to your grumpy old couple bickering again?
MU is the one out there making a whore of itself and desperately trying to get some sugar daddy to have an affair with it.  KU knows it will do just fine and continue pulling the wool regardless of whether we stay married or wind up out on the open market. We're too rich and good looking not to. 
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LenexatoKCMO wrote: Who cares if it does?  If MU is willing to help blow up the whole landscape of college sports, all because their fans are too broke-dick to support revenue generating athletics on their own, then screw 'em.  They need the rivalry a hell of a lot more than we do - go ahead and scratch off their only sure thing home sell outs and national TV games.   
If Mizzou bolts...I have a feeling that KU would tell them to fuck off in reference to future games.
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kcmetro wrote: And that would still suck.  If nothing is on the line, like a Big 12 north title, then it loses much of its meaning to the fans.
With the exception of the first football game at Arrowhead a few years ago, I can't think of one instance where a KU/MU matchup had anything on the line for both schools other than bragging rights.
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NDTeve wrote: If Mizzou bolts...I have a feeling that KU would tell them to fuck off in reference to future games.
There was a rumor that the entire Big 12 would boycott schools that leave.
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KCMax wrote: There was a rumor that the entire Big 12 would boycott schools that leave.
Of if the rumor ever became true,the irony is, the boycott may preclude a nice big TV payoff!
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kcmetro wrote: MU fans need to come to terms with the fact that they weren't invited to the Orange because they had 2 losses, and both being to the same team, while KU only had one loss.  Which looks better to a non-biased committee?  A 2-loss team or a 1-loss team?  It was a no-brainer.  But MU fans still can't accept that for some reason.

It has nothing to do with MU's academics.  They're at the bottom of the ladder in terms of academics, even in the Big 12.  A few spots below KU to be exact.
In 2007, Mizzou had two losses: Each of them was a close loss to the team widely believed to  be the best in college football.  Mizzou had beaten several teams with winning records, and had defeated two teams that went to BCS bowls, including Kansas.  KU had no wins that year against a team with a winning record prior to their bowl game. They still finished several spots behind MU in the end-of-season rankings, despite winning the Orange Bowl.  Who the hell do you think had the more impressive season?

And if one looks at school academic rankings based on undergraduate and graduate studies, ACT scores, and other true measures of excellence, MU is way ahead of most schools in the Big XII and very competitive with those in the Big X.  How does the cost of dorm food or the average class size (standards used in the U.S News rankings) really factor in to academic excellence?
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Kansas is screwed if Mizzou bolts.  It's the Lindsay Lohan of universities: A navel-gazing mess that every serious critic dismisses as too f'ed up and ultimately too unimportant to waste time on.  Enjoy the WAC or Mountain West if MU and Nebraska move on to better things--and just try filling your football stadium without those 2 schools on the schedule.
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dublin wrote: With the exception of the first football game at Arrowhead a few years ago, I can't think of one instance where a KU/MU matchup had anything on the line for both schools other than bragging rights.
That doesn't really matter.  They still play each other more often so there's more opportunities for the rivalry to flourish.  Plus, fans of both teams follow the other team more closely since they're in the same conference.  If MU goes to the Big 10, you think KU fans would keep tabs on them, and vice versa?  The rivalry would be strong the first few years perhaps, but after a while it would lose its luster.  In time it would probably resemble the MU/Illinois rivalry.
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LenexatoKCMO wrote: Allegedly brings two major media markets.  If KC is being touted as a selling point, MU better hope that the B10 doesn't wake up and realize that KU/KSU TV sets outnumber MU TV sets 3 to 1 in the Kansas City market
 

60% of the KC television market is in Missouri.  Please provide a source for your claim that 75% of this market follows Kansas teams--or is this yet another "stat" that you've pulled out of your ass?
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