Carl Peterson resigns

[LenexatoKCMO]

I am not convinced on Herm one way or the other.

Cons: his team has consistently found ways to loose games they were in position to win.  There have been some goofy game management decisions.

Pros: He and his staff have certainly managed to coach up some garbage heap players to play at levels much higher than could reasonably be expected of them - particularly in the secondary.  

You certainly can't say that he made championship caliber talent underperform.  

[Marreekarr]

What coaching decisions did he make to lose that game? Sometimes players lose leads too. And that's just one game. Are you saying with a different coach we might have gone 3-11 this year?

Since when does a coach ever go out and publicly berate his players?  I'm not saying that Edwards does that but to sit there with that glib look on his face and act as if his players are at fault is plain idiotic!  Most coaches share the blame when things go wrong with an organization.  Edwards just sits there with a "Gee, I don't know what just happened out there?" response when his team has lost yet another game.  If some of the KC fans can't see what's wrong with this picture then that's Ok.  But for Clark Hunt to hear his commander-in-chief talking in that tone of voice has got to have him boiling under the collar!  Let me give some guy untold millions of my dollars only to squander them on repeated mistakes and let's see how long he hangs around my organization.  If Clark Hunt doesn't get rid of Herm Edwards I will be terribly surprised, I can promise you that.

[KCPowercat]

Since when does a coach ever go out and publicly berate his players?  I'm not saying that Edwards does that but to sit there with that glib look on his face and act as if his players are at fault is plain idiotic!  Most coaches share the blame when things go wrong with an organization.  Edwards just sits there with a "Gee, I don't know what just happened out there?" response when his team has lost yet another game.  If some of the KC fans can't see what's wrong with this picture then that's Ok.  But for Clark Hunt to hear his commander-in-chief talking in that tone of voice has got to have him boiling under the collar!  Let me give some guy untold millions of my dollars only to squander them on repeated mistakes and let's see how long he hangs around my organization.  If Clark Hunt doesn't get rid of Herm Edwards I will be terribly surprised, I can promise you that.

Honestly, it sounds like you have more issues with Herm on a personal level (looks he gives, things he says) than what he's actual done as a football coach...maybe I'm just getting the wrong vibe.

[kcdcchef]

Honestly, it sounds like you have more issues with Herm on a personal level (looks he gives, things he says) than what he's actual done as a football coach...maybe I'm just getting the wrong vibe.

everyone analyzing this on a national and local level, says the same thing. herm wanted to rebuild, carl didnt. and carl stood in herms way in 06 and 07, and herm should only be evaluated on 08.

improvements were made guys, with less than mediocore talent in some areas.

[NDTeve]

Evaluating him on 2008? Ok. Fire him.

[mean]

Disagree. If I'm Clark I give Herm 2009 to show a significant improvement in record and 2010, if he accomplishes the 2009 goals, to make a legitimate playoff run.

[Marreekarr]

Honestly, it sounds like you have more issues with Herm on a personal level (looks he gives, things he says) than what he's actual done as a football coach...maybe I'm just getting the wrong vibe.

No, you're not getting the wrong vibe.  I'm a drama coach and watching people's movements and expressions is what I do for a living.  Other than the secret password to your private bank account and a few of those skeletons way in the back of your closet, there aren't too many things you can hide from me.  I can see it in your eyes.  But I'm being totally serious here.  You have a coach who didn't work well with his general manager, you have one of the worst teams in professional football, and you have a coach who doesn't have a clue as to why his players aren't performing for him.  And when you see him sitting there in his interviews he seems adrift as to what's actually going on.  I don't know about you, but I want a coach who has the ice-cold nerve to look me in the eye and tell me exactly what went wrong and what he's going to do about it.  Cause I got millions riding on this baby and I don't have time for excuses and strange behavior.  I just don't.

[kcdcchef]

No, you're not getting the wrong vibe.  I'm a drama coach and watching people's movements and expressions is what I do for a living.  Other than the secret password to your private bank account and a few of those skeletons way in the back of your closet, there aren't too many things you can hide from me.  I can see it in your eyes.  But I'm being totally serious here.  You have a coach who didn't work well with his general manager, you have one of the worst teams in professional football, and you have a coach who doesn't have a clue as to why his players aren't performing for him.  And when you see him sitting there in his interviews he seems adrift as to what's actually going on.  I don't know about you, but I want a coach who has the ice-cold nerve to look me in the eye and tell me exactly what went wrong and what he's going to do about it.  Cause I got millions riding on this baby and I don't have time for excuses and strange behavior.  I just don't.

not doubting your vocation, but horseshit. if this is true, bill bellichek of new england would give you all kinds of fucked up vibes constantly.

[KCMax]

Since when does a coach ever go out and publicly berate his players?  I'm not saying that Edwards does that but to sit there with that glib look on his face and act as if his players are at fault is plain idiotic!  Most coaches share the blame when things go wrong with an organization.  Edwards just sits there with a "Gee, I don't know what just happened out there?" response when his team has lost yet another game.  If some of the KC fans can't see what's wrong with this picture then that's Ok.  But for Clark Hunt to hear his commander-in-chief talking in that tone of voice has got to have him boiling under the collar!  Let me give some guy untold millions of my dollars only to squander them on repeated mistakes and let's see how long he hangs around my organization.  If Clark Hunt doesn't get rid of Herm Edwards I will be terribly surprised, I can promise you that.

This post is hilarious. Your first sentence you say how bad it is to berate players publicly, then pretty much accuse Herm of not doing that.

[Marreekarr]

Nice one, Max.  But when is the last time you ever heard Edwards take the blame for anything?  How about falling on your own sword?  Going down with the ship?  He doesn't want people to think that he's jumping ship, so he doesn't come right out and blame his deck hands.  But he does so indirectly in the way that he throws up his hands and acts as if Fate hasn't given him enough time to make all of his nefarious plans come to fruition.  I'm just waiting for Captain Edwards to admit that he made one major mistake in his life.  Just call up Barbara Walters and cry right in front of the cameras as he tells the whole world that he goofed up really bad in last week's play calling.  Seriously, KCMax - has he ever done that?

[LenexatoKCMO]

and you have a coach who doesn't have a clue as to why his players aren't performing for him. 

He absolutely knows why his players aren't always performing for him.  But a coach can't be honest and say publicly "they aren't performing because half of them are rookies and most of the other half don't belong in the NFL". 

[Marreekarr]

He absolutely knows why his players aren't always performing for him.  But a coach can't be honest and say publicly "they aren't performing because half of them are rookies and most of the other half don't belong in the NFL". 

I read an article on ESPN that coach Edwards was quoted as saying that he's gonna be in his office all week and that it's "Business-as-usual".  He's saying that after the ugly loss to Cincinnati and the worst season of the Chiefs ever.  There are no more games to play.  He can single out bad players all he wants now but he's saying that nothing has changed.  And he still refuses to place any blame at all on himself.  It's gettin awfully quiet over here in Marreekarr land.  I'm still waiting here, tapping my foot in hopes that Edwards will cough up some miserable reason why he personally coached yet another awful game.  I swear, if Edwards finally admits that he makes mistakes I will purchase a plane ticket and show up at One Arrowhead and personally kiss the man!  I will be so overjoyed at his turnaround that I won't know what to do with myself.  In the meantime, I suffer for my favorite pro-football team in the whole wide world.

[Beermo]

Herm Edwards: 'I let my work speak for itself'.

[knucklehead]

You have to give Herm credit for guts.

He made the decision to get rid of the vetrans like Trent Green, Casey Weigman, Eddie Kennison, Tony Richardson, etc because he decided it was time to rebuild.

He decided not to bring in older free agents to replace Roaf and Shields. Thinking that if you were going to be rebuilding for a couple of years, why bring in someone that was going to be 33 by the time your younger players were ready to go? Plus, if bringing in aging free agents helps you win an extra three games a year, that just screws up your draft position.

So the chiefs spend small time bucks on Devard Darling (one million signing bonus) and Demarrio Williams (three million signing bonus). McIntosh and Edwards also only got three million signing bonuses. Top free agents get $15 million signing bonuses. 

He trades away Jared Allen for 12 million a year in cap space and three picks, even knowing the cap space and picks were not going to pay big dividends this year.

He was gambling that NFL fans would have enough patience to defer current gratification for a larger future gratification. That took guts.

Now the Chiefs are in the best salary cap position in the league, have an excellent draft position and a roster with almost no older players (Surtain, Edwards and Huard didn't hardly play this year and are goners).

Now if Herm is fired the other guy is going to get all that handed to him on a silver platter. As I said before, ya got to admit Herm has guts.

I don't care if the chiefs fire Herm. He is replacable. I will be disappointed if the new GM brings in a bunch of over aged mercenary type free agents for some short term gain like the Jets did this year.

The jets will be paying for their 10 win season for a long time. I think the stupidity of bringing in aging geezers like Farve, Fanaca, Jenkins, Woody, Richardson, etc for a one year thrill sunk in yesterday and that is why their coach got fired today.
 

[kcdcchef]

You have to give Herm credit for guts.

He made the decision to get rid of the vetrans like Trent Green, Casey Weigman, Eddie Kennison, Tony Richardson, etc because he decided it was time to rebuild.

He decided not to bring in older free agents to replace Roaf and Shields. Thinking that if you were going to be rebuilding for a couple of years, why bring in someone that was going to be 33 by the time your younger players were ready to go? Plus, if bringing in aging free agents helps you win an extra three games a year, that just screws up your draft position.

So the chiefs spend small time bucks on Devard Darling (one million signing bonus) and Demarrio Williams (three million signing bonus). McIntosh and Edwards also only got three million signing bonuses. Top free agents get $15 million signing bonuses. 

He trades away Jared Allen for 12 million a year in cap space and three picks, even knowing the cap space and picks were not going to pay big dividends this year.

He was gambling that NFL fans would have enough patience to defer current gratification for a larger future gratification. That took guts.

Now the Chiefs are in the best salary cap position in the league, have an excellent draft position and a roster with almost no older players (Surtain, Edwards and Huard didn't hardly play this year and are goners).

Now if Herm is fired the other guy is going to get all that handed to him on a silver platter. As I said before, ya got to admit Herm has guts.

I don't care if the chiefs fire Herm. He is replacable. I will be disappointed if the new GM brings in a bunch of over aged mercenary type free agents for some short term gain like the Jets did this year.

The jets will be paying for their 10 win season for a long time. I think the stupidity of bringing in aging geezers like Farve, Fanaca, Jenkins, Woody, Richardson, etc for a one year thrill sunk in yesterday and that is why their coach got fired today.
 

damn good post. but most on here ( like max, for example ) are happier with the 10-6 campaigns, and getting close. because, as they will point out, you get no bonus points for doing it herm's way, buidling it on your own. just do it with someone elses players. that has worked out so well the past 25 years.

[KCMax]

damn good post. but most on here ( like max, for example ) are happier with the 10-6 campaigns, and getting close. because, as they will point out, you get no bonus points for doing it herm's way, buidling it on your own. just do it with someone elses players. that has worked out so well the past 25 years.

??? I agreed with you it is well past time to blow it up. I disagree that we HAVE to draft a QB. Way to distort things again.

[WSPanic]

The jets will be paying for their 10 win season for a long time. I think the stupidity of bringing in aging geezers like Farve, Fanaca, Jenkins, Woody, Richardson, etc for a one year thrill sunk in yesterday and that is why their coach got fired today.

Heard on ESPN this AM that the Jets talked to Cowher - and he won't go there because they are determined to keep their GM. For the life of me, I can't understand the logic of seeing Favre and Co. perform the way they did and blaming your coach who went 10-6 the year before. Seems like the personnel was just as much of an issue.

Shouldn't the GM be taking the blame?

It does encourage me that we have a chance with Cowher, maybe. He apparently wants a position where he can coach - but bring in his own front office people. That would, of course, require us to get rid of our coach.

He apprently turned down Cleveland as well.

[Beermo]

You have to give Herm credit for guts.

He made the decision to get rid of the vetrans like Trent Green, Casey Weigman, Eddie Kennison, Tony Richardson, etc because he decided it was time to rebuild.

He decided not to bring in older free agents to replace Roaf and Shields. Thinking that if you were going to be rebuilding for a couple of years, why bring in someone that was going to be 33 by the time your younger players were ready to go? Plus, if bringing in aging free agents helps you win an extra three games a year, that just screws up your draft position.

So the chiefs spend small time bucks on Devard Darling (one million signing bonus) and Demarrio Williams (three million signing bonus). McIntosh and Edwards also only got three million signing bonuses. Top free agents get $15 million signing bonuses. 

He trades away Jared Allen for 12 million a year in cap space and three picks, even knowing the cap space and picks were not going to pay big dividends this year.

He was gambling that NFL fans would have enough patience to defer current gratification for a larger future gratification. That took guts.

Now the Chiefs are in the best salary cap position in the league, have an excellent draft position and a roster with almost no older players (Surtain, Edwards and Huard didn't hardly play this year and are goners).

Now if Herm is fired the other guy is going to get all that handed to him on a silver platter. As I said before, ya got to admit Herm has guts.

I don't care if the chiefs fire Herm. He is replacable. I will be disappointed if the new GM brings in a bunch of over aged mercenary type free agents for some short term gain like the Jets did this year.

The jets will be paying for their 10 win season for a long time. I think the stupidity of bringing in aging geezers like Farve, Fanaca, Jenkins, Woody, Richardson, etc for a one year thrill sunk in yesterday and that is why their coach got fired today.
 

guts is running out on the ice of a frozen pond to save a kid. guts is running out into the street amid ak's and rpg's to try to save one of your buddies who just got shot.

the name for what herm did is called paperwork.

[WSPanic]

You have to give Herm credit for guts.

He made the decision to get rid of the vetrans like Trent Green, Casey Weigman, Eddie Kennison, Tony Richardson, etc because he decided it was time to rebuild.

He decided not to bring in older free agents to replace Roaf and Shields. Thinking that if you were going to be rebuilding for a couple of years, why bring in someone that was going to be 33 by the time your younger players were ready to go? Plus, if bringing in aging free agents helps you win an extra three games a year, that just screws up your draft position.

So the chiefs spend small time bucks on Devard Darling (one million signing bonus) and Demarrio Williams (three million signing bonus). McIntosh and Edwards also only got three million signing bonuses. Top free agents get $15 million signing bonuses. 

He trades away Jared Allen for 12 million a year in cap space and three picks, even knowing the cap space and picks were not going to pay big dividends this year.

He was gambling that NFL fans would have enough patience to defer current gratification for a larger future gratification. That took guts.

Now the Chiefs are in the best salary cap position in the league, have an excellent draft position and a roster with almost no older players (Surtain, Edwards and Huard didn't hardly play this year and are goners).

Now if Herm is fired the other guy is going to get all that handed to him on a silver platter. As I said before, ya got to admit Herm has guts.

I don't care if the chiefs fire Herm. He is replacable. I will be disappointed if the new GM brings in a bunch of over aged mercenary type free agents for some short term gain like the Jets did this year.

The jets will be paying for their 10 win season for a long time. I think the stupidity of bringing in aging geezers like Farve, Fanaca, Jenkins, Woody, Richardson, etc for a one year thrill sunk in yesterday and that is why their coach got fired today.
 

What leads you to believe those decisions were Herm's to make? Why doesn't Carl factor in to those decisions. Most of them were player-personnel decisions - not coaching decisions.

[knucklehead]

OK- I guess you do have to give Peterson credit for having guts too.

Carl had announced his plans to retire after the 2009 season when he signed his last contract in 2006.

The fact that you had a GM that was on the verge of retirement made it easier to commit to the complete rebuild, since Carl didn't have to worry about having a job in 2010.