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LenexatoKCMO wrote: This BS myth has been tossed around a hell of a lot in this town the last twelve months+.  Well run teams do not go through rebuilding years.  Well run teams don't get so rotted that you need to blow the whole damn thing up and start over.  Well run teams recognize when their O-lines are all nearing retirement age and acquire quality replacement talent years before the whole damn thing collapses.  The Chiefs are not a well run team.

This is increasingly true of all professional sports but is especially true of the NFL.  Rebuilding = we failed to adequately anticipate change and make sound adjustments.
While this is all true in theory, there is no such thing as a team that has never had to rebuild.  Even the Patriots and the Colts were awful not so very long ago, and the Chargers even more recently.  The Steelers won like six games in 2003, the Cowboys had a string of five win seasons, the reigning Super Bowl champs won ten games combined in 03 and 04...  The Raiders have probably been one of the most consistently good teams throughout their history -- from 1961 to 2002, they had only five five-win seasons, and three of them came in the first five years of the team's existence.  And we know where they are now.  A well-run team should be able to constantly reload as necessary, but it doesn't actually happen.  That isn't to say that I'm satisfied with the Chiefs or what's going on with them these past few years and for the foreseeable future, but I think you're holding them to too high a standard to suggest that they should never have to rebuild.  Ideally they wouldn't, but that just isn't realistic, for them or for anyone else.  I promise there will come a time when the Patriots have to rebuild.  It may not be for a while, but it'll absolutely happen.  Maybe it's because even well-run teams do have to rebuild from time to time, or maybe it's because no team is ever perpetually well-run, but they'll rebuild just like everyone else does.

I don't disagree that the Chiefs are a poorly-run team, but the fact that they're entering a full-scale rebuilding mode for the first time in nearly twenty years is not really the reason why -- I'd actually say the fact that they waited this long to rebuild is worse than the fact that they're rebuilding at all.  They built their team to Vermeil's specifications and they made their run and came up short, and they should have shaken that team up after that instead of patching it up with bandaids and trying to get blood from a turnip.
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LenexatoKCMO wrote: This BS myth has been tossed around a hell of a lot in this town the last twelve months+.  Well run teams do not go through rebuilding years.  Well run teams don't get so rotted that you need to blow the whole damn thing up and start over.  Well run teams recognize when their O-lines are all nearing retirement age and acquire quality replacement talent years before the whole damn thing collapses.  The Chiefs are not a well run team.

This is increasingly true of all professional sports but is especially true of the NFL.  Rebuilding = we failed to adequately anticipate change and make sound adjustments.
yeah it's just around KC. :|  OK let's just say it's rare for a team to be ran "well" then.  I'd be fine getting rid of the man at the top...but to equate the Chiefs "rebuilding" to the approval of stadium renovations is silly.  They would be in this spot if the voters didn't approve the renovation...
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Quit trying to justify your (1) renovation vote and (2) annual season tix expenditures out there.


The fact is, the Chiefs don't care about winning and the renovation plan was SOLD to taxpayers on the premise they couldn't win unless they got renovations.
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As much as I agree it was a stupid vote, it was actually SOLD to taxpayers on the even more ridiculous premise that the Chiefs would move to Kansas or California.
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mean wrote: As much as I agree it was a stupid vote, it was actually SOLD to taxpayers on the even more ridiculous premise that the Chiefs would move to Kansas or California.

Someone (can't recall where) wrote a column where he calculated the "bribery cost" of LA not having a team.  Essentially, numerous NFL teams have extracted HUGE cash from their homes by using LA as their threat.

It's actually been better for the NFL as a whole to NOT have a team there when you factor in the value of the threat!
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Clever strategy, especially since there's no reason to believe that LA would actually support an NFL franchise.

Anyway, after some reflection, I think everyone who opposed the renovations should start contributing to a fund to buy the naming rights. Then we could vote on what to name it:

King Carl's Court of Fail at Arrowhead Stadium
Princess Palace Field at Arrowhead Stadium
LOL You Voted For This Field at Arrowhead Stadium
That Isn't Barbecue Smoke, It's A Pile of Burning Tax Revenue Field at Arrowhead Stadium
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Does anyone think the Chiefs would've left? No? Ask Baltimore. Moved to Indy overnight. Ask Cleveland.
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NDTeve wrote: Does anyone think the Chiefs would've left? No? Ask Baltimore. Moved to Indy overnight. Ask Cleveland.
They would have moved....to Kansas.  We can't let that happen!
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I think Lee’s Summit should build a 125,000 seat speedway (with lights!) at US-50 and Route 7, next to their legoland theme park and an aquarium!  They could snag the big races from the KS speedway!  They could also name the race track the Missouri Speedway just in spite.

How do you think KCK would feel about this?

There was zero reason to vacate the Truman Sports Complex to build a football stadium in the far west end of town.  If we didn’t have the TSC, I would have been all for it.  But we don’t need a freaking massive, and I mean MASSIVE, chunk of blight along I-70.  Especially when the TSC is one of the best locations for an “NFL” stadium there is.

I realize that the TSC is not some developed urban paradise, but it’s at least using the land out there and really using it pretty well when it would probably otherwise never develop or redevelop.

Moving the Chiefs to KS was a real “threat” to a lot of people.

The Royals were not going downtown, wasn’t going to happen, most people in this city don’t want a downtown ballpark.  We were not going to get one.

KC was backed into a corner, mostly by the Chiefs, like most other cities are when it comes to this.

I would have thought it would have been HIGHLY irresponsible for the KS side to build a 700-900 MILLION dollar football stadium and supporting infrastructure (land purchase, access roads, parking lots, admin buildings, practice facilities etc)when we already have one that needs to be upgraded.  Even if we chose to build a new stadium, it made no sense to leave the TSC.

And don’t give me crap about there not being anything around the stadiums.  Stadiums DO NOT generate economic activity, especially NFL stadiums, they actually hurt it.

If Arrowhead were out by the speedway, it wouldn’t change a thing.  It would just be a massive, mostly unused footprint 99% of the time and when games were going on, it would generate so much traffic that people would stay away from the shopping areas.  The best time to go to NFM is during a race.  Nobody is there.  A “few” people out of the 75,000 Chiefs fans might make it over to the restaurants in Village West, most will simply go to the stadium though and eat in the area they come from or tailgate though and drive home after the game.

It would have been great to build a new football stadium at the TSC or dome (retractable) Arrowhead and build a downtown ballpark and a soccer stadium for the wizards in JoCo.

But no way would it have made any sense to take Arrowhead out of the TSC and I’m glad JoCo dropped the ball on the soccer stadium because the plan for the stadium in SKC is much much better than putting it in Desoto or something.
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NDTeve wrote: Does anyone think the Chiefs would've left? No? Ask Baltimore. Moved to Indy overnight. Ask Cleveland.

Balt & Cleve were playing in old baseball stadium dumps.  Not exactly comparable.  Also, the shared revenue is such a huge chunk of NFL revenues now, that the stadium dollars aren't as big a deal as they once were.

Besides, 1/3 of the home receipts go to the visiting team anyway.
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Maitre D wrote:
Balt & Cleve were playing in old baseball stadium dumps.   Not exactly comparable.   Also, the shared revenue is such a huge chunk of NFL revenues now, that the stadium dollars aren't as big a deal as they once were.

Besides, 1/3 of the home receipts go to the visiting team anyway.
Wait...I thought you said that TSC was a dump?
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NDTeve wrote: Wait...I thought you said that TSC was a dump?
The development & location itself is.  Never once said the stadiums were.   Try and pay attention, please.
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Is there a dollar figure that the Chiefs are asking for??? or is it just going to the highest bid?
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Um....highest bid.  Unless it's Smith's Pornography Palace.



Bid probably $75M or so.
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kcmetro wrote: They would have moved....to Kansas.  We can't let that happen!
you keep saying this w/o any real basis...there was never a proposal for KS stadiums and I any hint of one outside of this site.  You keep on posting it doesn't make it so.
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Maitre D wrote: Quit trying to justify your (1) renovation vote and (2) annual season tix expenditures out there.


The fact is, the Chiefs don't care about winning and the renovation plan was SOLD to taxpayers on the premise they couldn't win unless they got renovations.
I'll assume you are posting this to me.  I'm not justifying anything, I know exactly why I voted for Arrowhead renovations...it's a great stadium in a great location (for a football stadium) and needs upgraded... you trying to link the chiefs dive in salary to the renovation approval is retarded. 

Who are "the chiefs" that don't care about winning?  LJ?  Herm?  Carl?  Hunt?
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I hope the Chiefs use the money to further enhance the experiance at  Arrowhead rather than trying to come out smelling like a rose, and pocketing the money for themselves.
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mykem wrote: I hope the Chiefs use the money to further enhance the experiance at  Arrowhead rather than trying to come out smelling like a rose, and pocketing the money for themselves.
You do realize the Chef's are owned by HSG. What else would they do?  :D
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KCPowercat wrote: you keep saying this w/o any real basis...there was never a proposal for KS stadiums and I any hint of one outside of this site.  You keep on posting it doesn't make it so.
I didn't say there was any basis for it.  It wasn't what I thought would happen.  It's what a lot of Missourians were afraid of.  I suppose I should have put that sentence in quotes and italics to differentiate.
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you speak for "a lot of Missourians" now?  I don't know one person in this metro that thought that would occur.
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