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Re: Downtown Mission/ The Gateway

Post by chaglang » Tue Jun 24, 2014 8:15 pm

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chaglang wrote:Except the largest hispanic neighborhood in KCMO, where some homes top the $300k range and it's jamfrigginpacked with white people on weekends.
The West side is one of those places that a small population of gentrifiers has taken over and is in transition. Housing for the poor in this area is dwindling and it is becoming a place that has a Hispanic vibe, but the low-income Hispanics have mostly been priced out of. Normal suburban Midwesterners would not have felt uber safe in this neighborhood in the 1980s at the bottom of its decline.
Shit got complicated! I hadn't noticed the Westside-shaped gerrymander in the logic of your argument. And I didn't know I'd need a time machine into the mental state of the 1980's normal midwesterner to follow along.

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chaglang wrote:
AlbertHammond wrote:
chaglang wrote:Except the largest hispanic neighborhood in KCMO, where some homes top the $300k range and it's jamfrigginpacked with white people on weekends.
The West side is one of those places that a small population of gentrifiers has taken over and is in transition. Housing for the poor in this area is dwindling and it is becoming a place that has a Hispanic vibe, but the low-income Hispanics have mostly been priced out of. Normal suburban Midwesterners would not have felt uber safe in this neighborhood in the 1980s at the bottom of its decline.
Shit got complicated! I hadn't noticed the Westside-shaped gerrymander in the logic of your argument. And I didn't know I'd need a time machine into the mental state of the 1980's normal midwesterner to follow along.

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Some/most of the Hispanic families that have moved out of the Westside North *that I know of* moved to the suburbs to put their kids in a better school district, not because they were priced out of the area (were all probably well above the median income for the area). The only way to get priced out is if your landlord jacks up prices or if your property taxes/cost of living substantially increase. Last time I checked, this isn't the case, and most of the rentals available in the area are probably still income restricted. There are still houses that go for under $50k all over the Westside (not being purchased by DINKs or WASPs, etc.), and the "gentrified" area is really mostly confined to a few blocks near 17th and Summit where new houses are being built on empty overgrown lots. The area is an easy mark because of the folks you see walking around 17th and Summit for brunch on the weekends, but I think people are way off when they say that the neighborhood is already gentrified.

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Re: Downtown Mission/ The Gateway

Post by Highlander » Sun Jun 29, 2014 1:12 pm

Does Kansas City actually have any truly gentrified or gentrifying neighborhoods where the poor are actually being replaced? I really cannot think of any that is happening on anything more than a very minor scale.

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Highlander wrote:Does Kansas City actually have any truly gentrified or gentrifying neighborhoods where the poor are actually being replaced? I really cannot think of any that is happening on anything more than a very minor scale.
Attach that thought here: http://kcrag.com/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=18917

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Post by brewcrew1000 » Sun Jun 29, 2014 7:49 pm

Highlander wrote:Does Kansas City actually have any truly gentrified or gentrifying neighborhoods where the poor are actually being replaced? I really cannot think of any that is happening on anything more than a very minor scale.
Wasn't the Plaza more of a working class/poor area in the 80s?

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Post by flyingember » Sun Jun 29, 2014 8:27 pm

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Highlander wrote:Does Kansas City actually have any truly gentrified or gentrifying neighborhoods where the poor are actually being replaced? I really cannot think of any that is happening on anything more than a very minor scale.
Wasn't the Plaza more of a working class/poor area in the 80s?
there's a TON of relatively new development both north and south of brush creek. you just have to drive around to see how rapidly it's changed from the style of buildings

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Re: Downtown Mission/ The Gateway

Post by chaglang » Sun Jun 29, 2014 8:58 pm

brewcrew1000 wrote:
Highlander wrote:Does Kansas City actually have any truly gentrified or gentrifying neighborhoods where the poor are actually being replaced? I really cannot think of any that is happening on anything more than a very minor scale.
Wasn't the Plaza more of a working class/poor area in the 80s?
The hill behind the Plaza (behind the Barnes and Noble) had quite a few more apartment buildings than it does now. As I remember there were a lot more college and postgrad kids living in there. Are you thinking of Steptoe? That neighborhood hadn't been totally devastated by St. Luke's expansions yet.

Once upon a time, there was a small neighborhood in the area bordered by Brush Creek, Oak, and 47th; southeast of Winstead's. IIRC, this was a small working class community in the 80's.
http://www.historicaerials.com/aerials. ... &year=1969

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Highlander wrote:Does Kansas City actually have any truly gentrified or gentrifying neighborhoods where the poor are actually being replaced? I really cannot think of any that is happening on anything more than a very minor scale.
I would argue that it is happening through large swaths of midtown, the Westside, and the NE. There just hasn't been that much bitching. Dumping all the armour road section eight in favor of market rate was a massive gentrification in and of itself.

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Post by FangKC » Wed Jul 02, 2014 2:23 am

There are neighborhoods here that are gentrifying, but you really don't hear that much complaining about it because Kansas City remains such an inexpensive place to live. People aren't being completely priced out of the real estate and rental markets. The areas that are improving are not having a huge effect on the property tax assessments of the surrounding houses where long-term owners have lived for years.

The only area that I can think of where I've ever heard of any grumbling about newcomers is the West Side neighborhood that has been largely Hispanic for decades, and to some extent in the Crossroads where long-term owners got big property tax assessment increases a few years ago.

To some extent, gentrification in Kansas City has barely made a dent on improving and up-scaling of the existing older building stock.

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Post by LenexatoKCMO » Wed Jul 02, 2014 12:09 pm

I also sense that a lot of KCMO urban working class/poor still have a very strong suburban aspiration. The opportunity to sell and move out of the city to OP or Lees Summit, SKC even, seems to still be a pretty powerful draw to a lot of folks. Not all I am sure, but many.

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The Tenants on the Outparcels have been taken out if latest ODF so like Blackfinn Anericapub might not becoming.

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Post by KCMax » Thu Jul 17, 2014 12:13 pm

Mission council OKs $9 million development plus taxing district
Mission, meet your newest retail development: Cornerstone Commons and its first tenants, Natural Grocers, Potbelly Sandwich Shop and Pie Five.

The Mission City Council on Wednesday night approved a plan put forward by Christie Development Associates of Overland Park for the $9 million development, which will contain about 33,000 square feet in three freestanding buildings on three acres at 6819 Johnson Drive.

The Keystone car dealership formerly occupied the site. Its two buildings will be razed.

The three signed tenants will occupy a total of about 20,000 square feet, said David Christie, managing member of Christie Development Associates LLC, the project’s developer.

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Post by KCMax » Mon Jul 28, 2014 8:21 am

New restaurant and bar planned this fall for Johnson Drive and Beverly in Mission
Mission’s Johnson Drive will be getting a new bar and restaurant expected to open this fall. Plans have been submitted to the city for a renovation of the Underhood Automotive building on the southwest corner of Johnson and Beverly.

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Post by mistervinix » Thu Aug 07, 2014 12:06 pm

Mission Center Mall was torn down over eight years ago. It might be another eight before The Gateway sees the light of day. Do you think Mission could have used those eight years of taxes from the mall?

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Re: Downtown Mission/ The Gateway

Post by Highlander » Sun Aug 10, 2014 1:12 pm

Drove by the location many times during my stay in KC. Looks bad - just an empty space full of weeds. With the central location near some desirable places to live like PV and Fairway, you'd think it would be easy to get something going here.

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Re: Downtown Mission/ The Gateway

Post by flyingember » Sun Aug 10, 2014 7:27 pm

Highlander wrote:Drove by the location many times during my stay in KC. Looks bad - just an empty space full of weeds. With the central location near some desirable places to live like PV and Fairway, you'd think it would be easy to get something going here.
Metcalf South is in horrible shape too and there's more homes nearby.

In some places there's just too much retail for the density of the area.

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Post by Highlander » Sun Aug 10, 2014 9:36 pm

flyingember wrote:
Highlander wrote:Drove by the location many times during my stay in KC. Looks bad - just an empty space full of weeds. With the central location near some desirable places to live like PV and Fairway, you'd think it would be easy to get something going here.
Metcalf South is in horrible shape too and there's more homes nearby.

In some places there's just too much retail for the density of the area.
Who says it has to be 100% retail. The original proposal was largely residential. And the original shopping center existed even though it was proximal to the plaza and Prairie Village shopping center. That's a pretty desirable part of the metro in which to live; I'd think there would be demand for decent housing in the area? We certainly would consider northern Johnson County when we move back to KC.

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