Karin wrote:The mall should try to sign more traditional tenants but it first needs major remodeling.
sorry to say, some are already saying that about legends and village west.KCMax wrote: It was doomed from the beginning. I remember going to it when it first opened and thinking WTF?
Even at the beginning, the Great Mall had disappointing sales and traffic counts. Tenants were complaining before even a year in business. How many years has Village West been open and how many disappointed tenants are there?kcdcchef wrote: sorry to say, some are already saying that about legends and village west.
do not forget. great mall of the great plains was PACKED at the begining, just like village west.
not sure, never been, never will go.trailerkid wrote: Even at the beginning, the Great Mall had disappointing sales and traffic counts. Tenants were complaining before even a year in business. How many years has Village West been open and how many disappointed tenants are there?
By that time, you should be around for the grand opening of the $1 B waterpark.kcdcchef wrote: not sure, never been, never will go.
what i know is this, reading pieces on line in the kc star, they bragged up the great mall of the great plains, and listening to hard core subarbanites like my parents speak on how great it is, i just assumed the place was swamped, and had heard it was.
either way, i am happy it is failing. i will be more happy in 4-5 years when i hear that village west and legends is foundering too.
i am perfectly happy for them out there, and am very excited they have ascertained ALL OF IT by giving it away, good for them.trailerkid wrote: By that time, you should be around for the grand opening of the $1 B waterpark.
Economic development for the region is not exclusive to the central city or Missouri side. Sorry, but NFM, Cabela's, Schlitterbahn, Great Wolf, et. al aren't things that belong in the central city IMO.
i wish the urban core of kck the best.Tosspot wrote: As giddy as I am to see a pretentious Olathe project fall flat on its face, I dont exactly wish the same thing for KCK- the downtrodden and woebegone stepchild of this metro. It deserves a break, for once in sixty years- as much as I despise exurban-style developments.
While I tend to agree with you, the Legends has set itself up to be major competition that could limit the success of the Power and Light District. How many "destination" type places can a metro support.Tosspot wrote: As giddy as I am to see a pretentious Olathe project fall flat on its face, I dont exactly wish the same thing for KCK- the downtrodden and woebegone stepchild of this metro. It deserves a break, for once in sixty years- as much as I despise exurban-style developments.
One thing I have noticed about suburban developments like this....they are built for obsolescence while more urban centers like the Plaza keep on ticking through the years. How many old suburban centers are there that are still going strong in the metro? Even Metcalf South, once the pride of Johnson County is obsolete and I suspect the flagship, Oak Park Mall, is going to be suffering when the newly slated commercial developments in southern JoCo are finished. Suburban development tends to roll on outward leaving blight in its path whereas urban centers at least have some long-term staying power.kcdcchef wrote: totally hillarious, that this great development did not even make it 10 years.
This post is the most accurate about the history of the Great Plains Mall. However, as a factory/outlet mall it fell onto hard times much like the two similiar malls in Lawrence and I am not sure about the financial condition of the one in Odessa. To work as a regular mall it does not have a population base nearby to support it. Independence Center had a similiar condition a few years after it was opened. It was isolated and it took some time before the population/development around it caught up to it. Unless there is a change in the neighborhood around it the Oak Park Mall should have a long history. The Plaza has succeeded because it has been remodeled (store mix) over the years.KC0KEK wrote: I thought that a major difference between the Great Mall and the Odessa Outlets is that Odessa is -- or at least was supposed to be -- a true outlet mall. I remember reading years ago about an argreement between retailers and suppliers that outlet malls had to be a certain distance outside of a metro in order to sell deeply discounted merchandise. I think that it had to do with appeasing department stores, who resisted the competition unless it was so far away that it would be inconvenient for their customer base to shop there on a regular basis. So for example, Brooks Brothers couldn't go into an outlet mall inside an MSA if it still wanted to sell through Dillard's, Macy's, etc., there.
