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Re: Bluhawk

Postby mgsports » Fri Feb 23, 2018 6:53 pm

Their's other Outlet stores not in KC area yet that ar new by.

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Re: Bluhawk

Postby joshmv » Sat Feb 24, 2018 12:12 am

mistervinix wrote:They keep scaling back this thing:

https://www.kshb.com/news/local-news/de ... 5m-phase-1

An article in today's Star says the Cosmophere will be added "in a later phase." Boy, is that a common theme with these projects. The museum also seems smaller than in earlier versions. I remember a drawing of it that showed a mockup of a Saturn V outside the museum.

The main project also will feature an "outlet center." Because that worked so well in Olathe at the Great Mall.

We'll see in another 10 years...


The cosmosphere was originally planned to be around 60,000 sq. ft. and now it's 40,000 which is slightly smaller than the already small museum at Prairie Fire. I'm not expecting much out of it but chances are the plans will change again before they start on that phase. The same goes for the outlet center. It's hard to criticize shrinking or changing retail space plans in the current climate.

The trend of half-ass developments around KC are infuriating to me, and Bluhawk may not be any different but I don't really dislike anything about the upcoming phase. The multi-sport complex "Sport Stable" sounds great and if it's really 300,000 sq. ft. that's huge. The one in Denver is well reviewed and is about 175,000 sq. ft. You can see more about it on page 7 of their new press kit...

http://bluhawk.poweredbyfmg.com/wp-cont ... 2-18-4.pdf

I'm sure Lamar Hunt is happy there's still a focus on youth hockey, training, and other ice sports.

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Re: Bluhawk

Postby GRID » Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:21 pm

The only reason this development has the cosmosphere is to get STAR bonds and if they reduce the size of the cosmosphere, that's more STAR bond money that can go to other parts of the project. It's the same exact thing as Prairie Fire. They are only adding these things to get the STAR bonds which not only pay for the little museums, but much of the rest of the project.

This project is a total joke. JoCo is overbuilt as it is with retail and when you factor in the Speedway area and the changes occurring with brick and mortar retail, this is a retarded project and it's even more retarded that it's mostly funded by tax money. Yet still even in 2018 after all money that KS has wasted on other STAR projects and the poaching of KCMO companies using PEAK incentives combined with the Brownback experiment almost nobody cares or will protest this project. People will protest it for being too dense, but they won't care about the corporate welfare part of it. These same people will loudly comment on social media that KC is wasting money on the P&L district incentive though.

If it's built, it will likely kill the Legends STAR bonded outlet mall which doesn't have the demographics to compete is something comparable opens in JoCo.

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Re: Bluhawk

Postby mgsports » Sat Feb 24, 2018 8:07 pm

Good maybe they will get some Drive-Thru's. Maybe Belk and so on.

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Re: Bluhawk

Postby joshmv » Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:02 pm

GRID wrote:The only reason this development has the cosmosphere is to get STAR bonds and if they reduce the size of the cosmosphere, that's more STAR bond money that can go to other parts of the project. It's the same exact thing as Prairie Fire. They are only adding these things to get the STAR bonds which not only pay for the little museums, but much of the rest of the project.

This project is a total joke. JoCo is overbuilt as it is with retail and when you factor in the Speedway area and the changes occurring with brick and mortar retail, this is a retarded project and it's even more retarded that it's mostly funded by tax money. Yet still even in 2018 after all money that KS has wasted on other STAR projects and the poaching of KCMO companies using PEAK incentives combined with the Brownback experiment almost nobody cares or will protest this project. People will protest it for being too dense, but they won't care about the corporate welfare part of it. These same people will loudly comment on social media that KC is wasting money on the P&L district incentive though.

If it's built, it will likely kill the Legends STAR bonded outlet mall which doesn't have the demographics to compete is something comparable opens in JoCo.



:lol: ya, I'm sure BluHawk is going to kill Legends who paid off their STAR bonds 5 years early. Your Kansas bashing has gotten lazy and nonsensical, any chance you can take it back to city-data?

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Re: Bluhawk

Postby GRID » Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:29 pm

joshmv wrote:
GRID wrote:The only reason this development has the cosmosphere is to get STAR bonds and if they reduce the size of the cosmosphere, that's more STAR bond money that can go to other parts of the project. It's the same exact thing as Prairie Fire. They are only adding these things to get the STAR bonds which not only pay for the little museums, but much of the rest of the project.

This project is a total joke. JoCo is overbuilt as it is with retail and when you factor in the Speedway area and the changes occurring with brick and mortar retail, this is a retarded project and it's even more retarded that it's mostly funded by tax money. Yet still even in 2018 after all money that KS has wasted on other STAR projects and the poaching of KCMO companies using PEAK incentives combined with the Brownback experiment almost nobody cares or will protest this project. People will protest it for being too dense, but they won't care about the corporate welfare part of it. These same people will loudly comment on social media that KC is wasting money on the P&L district incentive though.

If it's built, it will likely kill the Legends STAR bonded outlet mall which doesn't have the demographics to compete is something comparable opens in JoCo.



:lol: ya, I'm sure BluHawk is going to kill Legends who paid off their STAR bonds 5 years early. Your Kansas bashing has gotten lazy and nonsensical, any chance you can take it back to city-data?


Haha, Doesn't matter if the bonds have been paid off or not, it's still a retail project mostly funded by Kansas tax dollars that will be heavily impacted by another project seeking the same tenants that will also be heavily funded by Kansas tax payers. You can almost justify the use of STAR bonds near the speedway to jump start an area in desperate need of investment. But if you don't think STAR bonding these projects in JoCo, especially this one, is ridiculous, then it's no wonder you don't like my posts and it's no wonder you are fine with Kansas corporate welfare. : :lol:


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