Jewish Community Center shootings

Find out what's going on in the Sunflower State's portions of the Metro here.
User avatar
KCMax
Global Moderator
Global Moderator
Posts: 24051
Joined: Wed Aug 04, 2004 3:31 pm
Location: The basement of a Ross Dress for Less
Contact:

Jewish Community Center shootings

Post by KCMax » Mon Apr 14, 2014 9:44 am

Terrible tragedy for Kansas City, perpetrated by an awful, evil man.

Man with history of anti-Semitism jailed in fatal shooting of three at Johnson County Jewish centers
A 73-year-old southwest Missouri man with a long history of anti-Semitism is suspected of killing two people outside Overland Park’s Jewish Community Center and then a third at a nearby Jewish assisted living facility.

After officers arrested Frazier Glenn Cross — an Aurora, Mo., man better known as F. Glenn Miller — Sunday afternoon, authorities said he went on a rant inside the patrol car. Though Overland Park Police Chief John Douglass wouldn’t say what Cross hollered, a television crew captured him on video while he was handcuffed in the back of the car.

“Heil Hitler,” Miller yelled out, and then he bobbed his head up and down.
Doctor, grandson, slain outside the Jewish Community Center, ‘in heaven together’
Reat Griffin Underwood loved life. A freshman at Blue Valley High School, he participated in debate and theater and had already attained the rank of Eagle Scout.

On Sunday afternoon, he was with his grandfather outside the Jewish Community Center in Overland Park when the vehicle they were in was struck by gunfire. Reat’s grandfather, William Lewis Corporon, who had taken the teen there to audition for a contest, died at the scene. Reat, 14, died later at a hospital....

She said her dad took Reat to the community center to audition for the KC SuperStar competition because she was attending her younger son’s lacrosse game.
Suspect in shootings at Jewish Community Center had racist views, a prison record
In 2010, he filed as a write-in candidate for the U.S. Senate from Missouri, then bought or tried to buy advertising time on several Missouri radio stations, including at least two in Kansas City. The ads bitterly denounced Jews, the federal government and African-Americans.

“We’ve sat back and allowed the Jews to take over our government, our banks and our media,” one commercial said.

mean
Administrator
Administrator
Posts: 10747
Joined: Wed Feb 05, 2003 9:00 am
Location: Historic Northeast

Re: Jewish Community Center shootings

Post by mean » Mon Apr 14, 2014 10:47 am

I'm not sure how to feel about the fact that (at least) two of the three victims weren't Jewish. It seems abundantly obvious who this guy was trying to target, and some part of me wants to feel satisfied that he mostly failed. The rest of me tells that part that there's nothing to feel good about here and makes me feel bad for wanting to find some kind of upside.

flyingember
One Park Place
One Park Place
Posts: 6909
Joined: Tue Jul 17, 2012 7:54 am

Re: Jewish Community Center shootings

Post by flyingember » Mon Apr 14, 2014 10:49 am

it shows just how off he was that not only did he not fit into society as a whole but that he failed to be racist as well

User avatar
KCMax
Global Moderator
Global Moderator
Posts: 24051
Joined: Wed Aug 04, 2004 3:31 pm
Location: The basement of a Ross Dress for Less
Contact:

Re: Jewish Community Center shootings

Post by KCMax » Mon Apr 14, 2014 11:11 am

mean wrote:I'm not sure how to feel about the fact that (at least) two of the three victims weren't Jewish.
None of the three were. The third victim was Catholic.
flyingember wrote:it shows just how off he was that not only did he not fit into society as a whole but that he failed to be racist as well
From what I have read, he also turned on a lot of other supremecists when nabbed by the Feds a number of years ago. So he's a snitch too!

phuqueue
Penntower
Penntower
Posts: 2371
Joined: Wed Apr 20, 2005 10:33 pm

Re: Jewish Community Center shootings

Post by phuqueue » Mon Apr 14, 2014 11:23 am

I don't think it matters whether his victims were actually Jewish or not. When you ("you," eg the media) point out that they weren't, there's a lot of subtext there that can be read in various different ways, but none of them are good -- that the killer didn't even succeed at his goal (would it have been better or worse if he had?), that these Christians were just in the wrong place at the wrong time (as if that's worse than a Jewish person having been in the "right" place but at that very wrong time instead), etc. In the end, people were still murdered. It doesn't matter what race or religion or gender or whatever else they were, except to the extent that it speaks to the killer's motive. There's no satisfaction to be found in the fact that he wasn't even good at anti-Semitism. There is no silver lining.

earthling
Oak Tower
Oak Tower
Posts: 4621
Joined: Sun Sep 11, 2011 2:27 pm

Re: Jewish Community Center shootings

Post by earthling » Mon Apr 14, 2014 4:26 pm

The shooter is from the Carolinas and was apparently founded a Carolina KKK clan.

User avatar
KCMax
Global Moderator
Global Moderator
Posts: 24051
Joined: Wed Aug 04, 2004 3:31 pm
Location: The basement of a Ross Dress for Less
Contact:

Re: Jewish Community Center shootings

Post by KCMax » Mon Apr 14, 2014 4:48 pm

earthling wrote:The shooter is from the Carolinas and was apparently founded a Carolina KKK clan.
I believe he lived in southern MO more recently. He made a run in 2010 for the U.S. Senate from MO as a write-in candidate, running awful racist ads on local radio stations.

http://www.pitch.com/FastPitch/archives ... ting-spree

User avatar
Roanoker
Penntower
Penntower
Posts: 2027
Joined: Sun Jan 15, 2006 12:16 pm
Location: Kansas City, MO

Re: Jewish Community Center shootings

Post by Roanoker » Tue Apr 15, 2014 6:51 am

phuqueue wrote:I don't think it matters whether his victims were actually Jewish or not.
I agree with you. However, I believe there is a federal law that turns his particular motive into a hate crime. I rather wish we could stick with the idea that murder is simply--or horribly--murder.

And yes, there is no silver lining.

flyingember
One Park Place
One Park Place
Posts: 6909
Joined: Tue Jul 17, 2012 7:54 am

Re: Jewish Community Center shootings

Post by flyingember » Tue Apr 15, 2014 10:49 am

Roanoker wrote:
phuqueue wrote:I don't think it matters whether his victims were actually Jewish or not.
I agree with you. However, I believe there is a federal law that turns his particular motive into a hate crime. I rather wish we could stick with the idea that murder is simply--or horribly--murder.

And yes, there is no silver lining.
absolutely. I was simply thinking that as a guy with a set of morals (that I 100% disagree with), that when he went to commit murder under those morals that he managed to even fail himself.

I'm not sure what that makes him exactly, but he defined it quite well.

User avatar
KCMax
Global Moderator
Global Moderator
Posts: 24051
Joined: Wed Aug 04, 2004 3:31 pm
Location: The basement of a Ross Dress for Less
Contact:

Re: Jewish Community Center shootings

Post by KCMax » Tue Apr 15, 2014 11:03 am

No hate crime charges by the state, because the state has no hate crime legislation. First degree capital murder, death penalty or life without parole are the sentencing options.

IraGlacialis
Colonnade
Colonnade
Posts: 895
Joined: Tue Feb 12, 2008 10:02 pm
Location: Bangkok

Re: Jewish Community Center shootings

Post by IraGlacialis » Wed Apr 16, 2014 1:40 am

While the state doesn't have any hate crime laws, there's a chance of federal charges being filed.

On another note, I noticed that a couple articles are saying "'Kansas City' shootings".
flyingember wrote: I'm not sure what that makes him exactly, but he defined it quite well.
Scum.
Plain and simple.

mistervinix
Strip mall
Strip mall
Posts: 261
Joined: Sun Jun 19, 2005 10:48 pm

Re: Jewish Community Center shootings

Post by mistervinix » Wed Apr 16, 2014 8:39 am

IraGlacialis wrote:
On another note, I noticed that a couple articles are saying "'Kansas City' shootings".
Tuesday NBC Nightly News said he was "in a courtroom near Kansas City, Kansas" or something similar. Which is technically correct, but I'm sure they meant to say "Kansas City, Missouri." The national media still get it wrong so much of the time.

User avatar
WSPanic
Hotel President
Hotel President
Posts: 3388
Joined: Fri Jul 15, 2005 4:57 pm

Re: Jewish Community Center shootings

Post by WSPanic » Wed Apr 16, 2014 8:49 am

Kansas hasn't executed anyone since 1965 - two months after they hung the "In Cold Blood" killers, they hung two others. Nothing since.

I don't know if others are scheduled to go or not. You'd assume this guy would get it. However, given his age and what passes for due process in this country, it's hard to imagine they gas him before father time catches up.

heatherkay
Alameda Tower
Alameda Tower
Posts: 1424
Joined: Tue Feb 14, 2006 10:39 am
Location: River Market and Rosedale

Re: Jewish Community Center shootings

Post by heatherkay » Wed Apr 16, 2014 10:21 am

mistervinix wrote:
IraGlacialis wrote:
On another note, I noticed that a couple articles are saying "'Kansas City' shootings".
Tuesday NBC Nightly News said he was "in a courtroom near Kansas City, Kansas" or something similar. Which is technically correct, but I'm sure they meant to say "Kansas City, Missouri." The national media still get it wrong so much of the time.
Well, he was in Kansas. They probably should have just said "Kansas City," full stop.

User avatar
KCMax
Global Moderator
Global Moderator
Posts: 24051
Joined: Wed Aug 04, 2004 3:31 pm
Location: The basement of a Ross Dress for Less
Contact:

Re: Jewish Community Center shootings

Post by KCMax » Wed Apr 16, 2014 11:20 am

WSPanic wrote:Kansas hasn't executed anyone since 1965 - two months after they hung the "In Cold Blood" killers, they hung two others. Nothing since.

I don't know if others are scheduled to go or not. You'd assume this guy would get it. However, given his age and what passes for due process in this country, it's hard to imagine they gas him before father time catches up.
There are ten on death row, including John Robinson.

User avatar
KCMax
Global Moderator
Global Moderator
Posts: 24051
Joined: Wed Aug 04, 2004 3:31 pm
Location: The basement of a Ross Dress for Less
Contact:

Re: Jewish Community Center shootings

Post by KCMax » Wed Apr 16, 2014 1:21 pm

Missouri Mayor Says He 'Kind Of Agreed' With Alleged Jewish Center Shooter
"He was always nice and friendly and respectful of elder people, you know, he respected his elders greatly. As long as they were the same color as him," Clevenger said while laughing, according to television station KSPR. "Very fair and honest and never had a bit of problems out of him."

Clevenger said he sympathized with some of Miller's views, but didn't like to broadcast that.

"Kind of agreed with him on some things but, I don't like to express that too much," Clevenger, the owner of a local repair shop, said....

However, KSPR unearthed a letter to the editor that the mayor sent nearly a decade ago to a newspaper in Aurora, Mo. in which he expressed admiration for Miller's mission.

"I am a friend of Frazier Miller helping to spread his warnings," Clevenger wrote, according to KSPR. "The Jew-run medical industry has succeeded in destroying the United State's workforce."

Clevenger also reportedly wrote that the "Jew-run government backed banking industry turned the U.S into the world's largest debtor nation."

User avatar
chrizow
Global Moderator
Global Moderator
Posts: 16999
Joined: Fri Aug 08, 2003 8:43 am

Re: Jewish Community Center shootings

Post by chrizow » Wed Apr 16, 2014 1:23 pm

Southwest Missouri....it's a whole 'nother country.

User avatar
Highlander
Mark Twain Tower
Mark Twain Tower
Posts: 9027
Joined: Mon Jun 28, 2004 1:40 pm
Location: Houston

Re: Jewish Community Center shootings

Post by Highlander » Fri Apr 18, 2014 11:52 am

mistervinix wrote:
IraGlacialis wrote:
On another note, I noticed that a couple articles are saying "'Kansas City' shootings".
Tuesday NBC Nightly News said he was "in a courtroom near Kansas City, Kansas" or something similar. Which is technically correct, but I'm sure they meant to say "Kansas City, Missouri." The national media still get it wrong so much of the time.
A bit off topic but I just read on Yahoo that Miley Cyrus had to cancel her gig at the "Spring" Center because she is hospitalized in Kansas City Kansas. I think the Kansas/Missouri thing has taken on a new manifestation with the quality of journalism across the country in rapid decline as the internet makes news (not very well fact checked news) immediately available.
Last edited by Highlander on Fri Apr 18, 2014 11:38 pm, edited 1 time in total.

aknowledgeableperson
City Center Square
City Center Square
Posts: 12247
Joined: Thu Mar 11, 2004 10:31 pm

Re: Jewish Community Center shootings

Post by aknowledgeableperson » Fri Apr 18, 2014 5:10 pm

Molly herself was saying she was in Kansas. Guess that medicine made her think she was Dorothy.

User avatar
KCMax
Global Moderator
Global Moderator
Posts: 24051
Joined: Wed Aug 04, 2004 3:31 pm
Location: The basement of a Ross Dress for Less
Contact:

Re: Jewish Community Center shootings

Post by KCMax » Mon Apr 21, 2014 8:27 am

Highlander wrote:
mistervinix wrote:
IraGlacialis wrote:
On another note, I noticed that a couple articles are saying "'Kansas City' shootings".
Tuesday NBC Nightly News said he was "in a courtroom near Kansas City, Kansas" or something similar. Which is technically correct, but I'm sure they meant to say "Kansas City, Missouri." The national media still get it wrong so much of the time.
A bit off topic but I just read on Yahoo that Miley Cyrus had to cancel her gig at the "Spring" Center because she is hospitalized in Kansas City Kansas. I think the Kansas/Missouri thing has taken on a new manifestation with the quality of journalism across the country in rapid decline as the internet makes news (not very well fact checked news) immediately available.
She very likely was in KCK - KU Med.

Post Reply