OFFICIAL: Zona Rosa (tenants & phase II)

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Re: OFFICIAL: Zona Rosa (tenants & phase II)

Postby mistervinix » Fri Feb 02, 2018 3:14 pm

empires228 wrote:
mgsports wrote:About Oak Park Mall Banana Republic and Body Shop closing according to Shawnee Mission Post story today and in it Nordstroms saying might relocate to Plaza or so on like maybe former Sears in OP or even former Kmarts in Johnson County,Village West,Corbin Park,135th street and Greenwood,Olathe Gateway phase 2,former Great Mall of Plains,Shawnee. Stores that could replace Oak Park Mall space stores not in area yet like Yonkers,Boston Store,Meijer,Shopko or so on and if Rack moves with it Fresh Thyme Market or Here Today or Dunham Sports or so on.

Also have other Commercial development at Twin Creeks,Edegewood Farms and so on. Also Falls at Crackernack Creek and so on in Independence have spaces and land to fill so does like Lees Summit Place,Plaza Speedway Shops,Belton Gateway,so on in Johnson County and so on.


There is NO chance of Nordstrom relocating to the plaza. When Saks left, they cited their main reason for leaving as their store being too small with no room for expansion. The largest building on the Plaza is the old Sears store, and they're not going to boot the theater, Urban Outfitters, and the others out just for Nordstrom. The remaining portion of the old Halls store isn't large enough by far, the former Saks isn't large enough by far, and the old Macy's isn't large enough by far.


Well...

https://www.kshb.com/money/business-new ... club-plaza

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Re: OFFICIAL: Zona Rosa (tenants & phase II)

Postby SWFan » Fri Feb 02, 2018 3:27 pm

dnweava wrote:
SWFan wrote:
flyingember wrote:Saw yesterday Zona Rosa is 59% vacant.

Really good example to prove to cities to stop approving more retail before the supporting residential is built.


How do you get people to move to the Northland when all the high paying jobs in KC are all within a couple miles of I-435 & I-35 in JoCo? I expect trying to attract retail was one way since they haven't been able to successfully add much in terms of higher paying jobs north of the river.

I've lived in the Northland for 17 years now, but work in Corporate Woods. I've been close to sucking it up and moving to JoCo.


Northland is closer to downtown than the other suburbam areas. I work downtown and the northland is the only suburban area I even considered when looking for a house.


Yep, which is why I would have loved to have found a job downtown, but in three years none appeared and I had to move on.

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Re: OFFICIAL: Zona Rosa (tenants & phase II)

Postby SWFan » Fri Feb 02, 2018 3:30 pm



Having lost Saks and Halls that is a big win for the Plaza.

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Re: OFFICIAL: Zona Rosa (tenants & phase II)

Postby mgsports » Fri Feb 02, 2018 8:02 pm

But it is moving know.

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Re: OFFICIAL: Zona Rosa (tenants & phase II)

Postby w00lyb00ger » Sun Feb 04, 2018 1:29 am

SWFan wrote:
flyingember wrote:Saw yesterday Zona Rosa is 59% vacant.

Really good example to prove to cities to stop approving more retail before the supporting residential is built.


How do you get people to move to the Northland when all the high paying jobs in KC are all within a couple miles of I-435 & I-35 in JoCo? I expect trying to attract retail was one way since they haven't been able to successfully add much in terms of higher paying jobs north of the river.

I've lived in the Northland for 17 years now, but work in Corporate Woods. I've been close to sucking it up and moving to JoCo.


Cerner and Ford are two of the largest employers in the region and also offer some of the highest paying jobs. Not to mention most of the suppliers for Ford also pay well. Airport has a decent amount of good jobs and continues to add as the metro grows. Bayer is another one that pays well above the metro average that’s in the northland. Then you have General Motors, Kellogg, Certainteed and several other high paying employers down in the Fairfax district that are just on the other side of the river. Very short commute for anyone living up north.

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Re: OFFICIAL: Zona Rosa (tenants & phase II)

Postby flyingember » Mon Feb 05, 2018 9:18 am

w00lyb00ger wrote: Bayer is another one that pays well above the metro average that’s in the northland


Bayer is south of the river

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Re: OFFICIAL: Zona Rosa (tenants & phase II)

Postby w00lyb00ger » Tue Feb 06, 2018 8:50 pm

flyingember wrote:
w00lyb00ger wrote: Bayer is another one that pays well above the metro average that’s in the northland


Bayer is south of the river

Close enough. A couple blocks south. Still only a few minutes drive for most northlanders.

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Re: OFFICIAL: Zona Rosa (tenants & phase II)

Postby kboish » Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:32 pm

w00lyb00ger wrote:
flyingember wrote:
w00lyb00ger wrote: Bayer is another one that pays well above the metro average that’s in the northland


Bayer is south of the river

Close enough. A couple blocks south. Still only a few minutes drive for most northlanders.


Kind of like downtown

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Re: OFFICIAL: Zona Rosa (tenants & phase II)

Postby flyingember » Wed Feb 07, 2018 1:17 pm

kboish wrote:
w00lyb00ger wrote:
flyingember wrote:
Bayer is south of the river

Close enough. A couple blocks south. Still only a few minutes drive for most northlanders.


Kind of like downtown

If you figure from just north of the river Bayer is 3x farther away from the northland than downtown is. Bayer is about 25 blocks south of the river, downtown starts at the river.

By this standard all of downtown is north of the river. Close enough.

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Re: OFFICIAL: Zona Rosa (tenants & phase II)

Postby w00lyb00ger » Wed Feb 07, 2018 10:19 pm

flyingember wrote:
kboish wrote:
w00lyb00ger wrote:Close enough. A couple blocks south. Still only a few minutes drive for most northlanders.


Kind of like downtown

If you figure from just north of the river Bayer is 3x farther away from the northland than downtown is. Bayer is about 25 blocks south of the river, downtown starts at the river.

By this standard all of downtown is north of the river. Close enough.


No, it isn’t even close to being 25 blocks. Located at 8400 Hawthorne Rd.
You can literally walk from the north side of the facility to the river in less than five minutes.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/8400+ ... 916b?hl=en

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Re: OFFICIAL: Zona Rosa (tenants & phase II)

Postby SWFan » Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:17 pm

w00lyb00ger wrote:
SWFan wrote:
flyingember wrote:Saw yesterday Zona Rosa is 59% vacant.

Really good example to prove to cities to stop approving more retail before the supporting residential is built.


How do you get people to move to the Northland when all the high paying jobs in KC are all within a couple miles of I-435 & I-35 in JoCo? I expect trying to attract retail was one way since they haven't been able to successfully add much in terms of higher paying jobs north of the river.

I've lived in the Northland for 17 years now, but work in Corporate Woods. I've been close to sucking it up and moving to JoCo.


Cerner and Ford are two of the largest employers in the region and also offer some of the highest paying jobs. Not to mention most of the suppliers for Ford also pay well. Airport has a decent amount of good jobs and continues to add as the metro grows. Bayer is another one that pays well above the metro average that’s in the northland. Then you have General Motors, Kellogg, Certainteed and several other high paying employers down in the Fairfax district that are just on the other side of the river. Very short commute for anyone living up north.


In the 17 years I've lived in the Northland I've yet to see a high paying accounting job at any of the employers you mentioned. Almost all the jobs I've ever seen at those facilities have been for laborers or accounting clerks. If there are even any high-end accounting jobs at those locations, they must be bringing them in from their corporate headquarters.

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Re: OFFICIAL: Zona Rosa (tenants & phase II)

Postby SWFan » Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:20 pm

flyingember wrote:
kboish wrote:
w00lyb00ger wrote:Close enough. A couple blocks south. Still only a few minutes drive for most northlanders.


Kind of like downtown

If you figure from just north of the river Bayer is 3x farther away from the northland than downtown is. Bayer is about 25 blocks south of the river, downtown starts at the river.

By this standard all of downtown is north of the river. Close enough.


I'd take a job at Bayer. Draw a line from I-70/I-435 east of downtown to I-70/I-635 on the other side, then box it in going north as far as Smithville. So that would fit with Bayer and anything downtown as well.


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