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Bannister Mall/Cerner

Postby FangKC » Fri Sep 11, 2009 3:00 am

Neal Patterson says he's still committed to the former Bannister Mall site for future Cerner growth.

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Re: Cerner still committed to Bannister site

Postby KCMax » Fri Sep 11, 2009 9:03 am

When Cerner is ready to expand, Patterson said, the planned Bannister office project would proceed whether or not any retail development accompanied it.

"I'd do it in a heartbeat," he said. "This is a wonderful location with good access to employees. This is the center of the metropolitan area and a logical place to be recruiting software engineers."



That company is just going to explode with the fed requirements for electronic medical records. I'm not surprised they can open an office in VW, and still open one at Bannister.

It is curious why they want their offices so spread out though.
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Re: Cerner still committed to Bannister site

Postby pstokely » Fri Sep 11, 2009 9:26 am

KCMax wrote:That company is just going to explode with the fed requirements for electronic medical records. I'm not surprised they can open an office in VW, and still open one at Bannister.

It is curious why they want their offices so spread out though.


Employees are spread out?

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Re: Cerner still committed to Bannister site

Postby DaveKCMO » Fri Sep 11, 2009 10:29 am

sprint went through the same thing -- stashing people all over the metro during the boom years -- and look how that turned out.

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Re: Cerner still committed to Bannister site

Postby KCMax » Thu Sep 17, 2009 2:41 pm

The Pitch: The tragic story of how Kansas City leaders, blinded by the Wizards pro-sports glamour project, turned their backs on an idea that might actually have saved Bannister Mall

With the Bannister project, elected and appointed officials turned their backs on the possibility of a different project - one that would have remade the disheveled community into a place worth caring about but would have forced city officials to think about development in new and different ways. Letting pants fall to ankles, they instead took the Wizards' deal because it was the easiest one to comprehend.

A stadium specifically designed for spectators to watch the world's most popular game is, of course, preferable to a dead mall. But the Wizards' leap across the state line might actually have saved Kansas City, Missouri, from subsidizing just a newer, shinier version of the same old problem.


In 2003, the CID hired a transportation engineer, Michael Wallwork, who specializes in roundabouts. Advocates of New Urbanism like roundabouts, which calm traffic and create visual interest. Wallwork proposed four roundabouts for 87th Street in an effort to transform the road "into a beautiful, appealing, public space that will spark redevelopment interest," according to his feasibility study. Wallwork also suggested ideas for improving Bannister Road, which he called "unattractive" and "designed solely to move vehicles."

The 3-Trails Village board also invited professional and student landscape architects to reimagine Bannister Mall and its surrounding acreage. Austin liked the plans that showed houses and apartments where empty stores and parking lots stood. "You gotta have people living on the dirt," he says.

Rethinking Bannister Mall was not simply an academic exercise. In cities such as Lakewood, Colorado, and Boca Raton, Florida, dead malls have been converted into graceful districts with a mix of uses. Robert Gibbs, a Michigan-based retail urban planner in the New Urbanism school, told Austin that Bannister Mall had the right bones ? primarily land and access ? for that sort of redevelopment.

Through Gibbs, Austin met a possible investor for such a turnaround here.

In the fall of 2007, Gibbs helped arrange a visit by two senior executives at J.P. Morgan and the managing partner of GreenHawk Partners, a North Carolina real-estate development company.

The J.P. Morgan executives managed the bank's Urban Renaissance Property Fund. The fund managers sought investments in developments that adhered to "green" certification standards, pedestrian-friendly design and proximity to commuter rail lines, according to a letter that one of the executives, Lewis Jones, sent to Austin.

On his visit, Jones wanted to meet officials from Kansas City Southern. The railroad's main line forms the eastern border of the 3-Trails Village CID.

A Kansas City Southern spokeswoman confirms that the company's vice president for corporate affairs, Warren Erdman, met with Austin and others to discuss the possibility of commuter rail service, which transit advocates in Kansas City have promoted for years.

The spokeswoman, Doniele Kane, says Erdman expressed the railroad's "willingness to consider such an idea," while also explaining that the track required substantial improvements in order to handle commuters as well as freight, and that the money would have to have come from a public source.


J.P. Morgan's ideas about redevelopment fit with all the planning that 3-Trails Village had done. J.P. Morgan's pledge to invest in sustainable design squared with public officials' stated intentions to make Kansas City a greener place.

The soccer-oriented plan, however, had been the first to lay claim to the site - and make political friends. Sharp has received $1,000 in campaign contributions from OnGoal as well as LANE4, according to campaign-finance disclosures.

And though the visit from and meetings with J.P. Morgan representatives indicated that the investor had a strong interest in Kansas City, discussions never progressed to the point of a financial commitment.

Meanwhile, the Wizards were prepared to throw around a little Cerner money. "You can't turn that down," Councilwoman Cathy Jolly tells The Pitch, in an effort to describe the bird-in-hand nature of the soccer plan.
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Re: Cerner still committed to Bannister site

Postby aknowledgeableperson » Thu Sep 17, 2009 10:35 pm

And given the current economic climate tht plan would probably still be on someone's desk at the bottom of the "To Do" box.
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Re: Cerner still committed to Bannister site

Postby KCMax » Thu Mar 03, 2011 10:00 am

New $590 million plan emerges to redevelop Bannister Mall site

The developer of the former Bannister Mall property in south Kansas City is back with a new $590 million plan that has strong financial backing from key Cerner Corp. executives....

The new plan submitted by Lane4 Property Group for what would be called The Trails development would put large retail stores where the stadium had been suggested, and includes a future transit station should a proposed commuter rail plan move forward.

The developer is seeking $191 million in city and state tax incentives for the redevelopment. It would be built in phases beginning next year and through 2020. It would have 1.3 million square feet of retail and 1.57 million square feet of offices and light industrial space.
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Re: Cerner still committed to Bannister site

Postby GRID » Thu Mar 03, 2011 10:30 am

My thoughts, don't want to type them all again. haha

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Re: Cerner still committed to Bannister site

Postby shinatoo » Thu Mar 03, 2011 10:50 am

That site is about the same size at the Truman Sports Complex. They should have built the airport there&

But seriously, this sounds to me like Cerner saying, "Sorry that we had to take a four year break while KC had the Funk, but we are ready to start back up now".
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Re: Cerner still committed to Bannister site

Postby rxlexi » Thu Mar 03, 2011 12:48 pm

the Bannister site is PERFECT for IKEA.  Please find a way to make this happen, Cerner.  The big-box idea, if it's just replicating existing retailers, is just awful and will be unsustainable.
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Re: Cerner still committed to Bannister site

Postby FangKC » Fri Mar 04, 2011 4:17 am

I agree it's a mistake not to be adding a lot of residential apartments and townhomes in this plan.

Thirty years from now, they will be tearing it all down and starting over again.

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Re: Cerner still committed to Bannister site

Postby KansasCityCraka » Fri Mar 04, 2011 5:08 am

Not a fan. Needs residential or it wont promote any growth around it IMO.
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Re: Cerner still committed to Bannister site

Postby mgsports » Fri Mar 04, 2011 1:54 pm

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Re: Cerner still committed to Bannister site

Postby FangKC » Tue Apr 12, 2011 4:27 pm

The Bannister Mall plan is coming up for review in front of the TIF Commission.

I still think this plan should include dense residential housing to be successful long-term. Otherwise, we will be back at the same place in 25 years.

Should we be writing the TIF Commission to voice this point-of-view?

http://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/news/2011/04/12/kansas-city-tif-commission-bannister.html?ed=2011-04-12&s=article_du&ana=e_du_pub

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Re: Cerner still committed to Bannister site

Postby GRID » Tue Apr 12, 2011 4:57 pm

FangKC wrote:The Bannister Mall plan is coming up for review in front of the TIF Commission.

I still think this plan should include dense residential housing to be successful long-term. Otherwise, we will be back at the same place in 25 years.

Should we be writing the TIF Commission to voice this point-of-view?

http://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/news/2011/04/12/kansas-city-tif-commission-bannister.html?ed=2011-04-12&s=article_du&ana=e_du_pub


25 years?  Without a major residential component, the new development will be lucky to reach 10 years before blight sets back in.

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Re: Cerner still committed to Bannister site

Postby Highlander » Tue Apr 12, 2011 8:02 pm

GRID wrote:25 years?  Without a major residential component, the new development will be lucky to reach 10 years before blight sets back in.


If it was near a major employment center, I'd say you were right but putting residential in there...anything more than very modest residential....would be throwing good money after bad.  You won't attract anybody to 200,000$ homes in that area or nice condos, it's just too far from anything.  Very few places in KC have the critical mass to initiate gentrification in an already declined neighborhood and SE KC is nowhere near one of them and this project is not going to add what is needed to get it going.  Cerner should put there money downtown where it might do some good.   

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Re: Cerner still committed to Bannister site

Postby chingon » Tue Apr 12, 2011 9:06 pm

At some point somebody just needs to commit political suicide in an honorable way and confess that the best thing for the city to do is throw in the towel and quit dumping money into the infrastructure for an ex mall. Tear out all the streets and asphalt, move that fire station so it's within a half mile of an actual neighborhood, sow the land with native grass and move on.

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Re: Cerner still committed to Bannister site

Postby FangKC » Tue Apr 12, 2011 10:18 pm

I think if you developed the right type of residential, it would work. The City should only get behind this if it creates some new senior housing that is built around retail and services.  The site supposedly will also have commuter rail if that ever happens.

There is not enough residential housing being built to fit the needs of our aging population. I think this could be a niche situation.

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Re: Cerner still committed to Bannister site

Postby chrizow » Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:59 am

chingon wrote:At some point somebody just needs to commit political suicide in an honorable way and confess that the best thing for the city to do is throw in the towel and quit dumping money into the infrastructure for an ex mall. Tear out all the streets and asphalt, move that fire station so it's within a half mile of an actual neighborhood, sow the land with native grass and move on.


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