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flea market?  storage? indoor mall museum?

Anything is better than trying to duplicate 119th and I-35 there and calling it mixed use.  That plan will never ever EVER build out anyway as its planned in that rendering.  Not in that location.

But some first phase will get built with a lot of tax money and it will look just like the Blue Ridge Crossing.  The rest will stay vacant land or whatever.

The "new" strip mall won't last ten years there.

That is such a prime location for a true mixed use development that is heavy in residential.  It needs to be large in the first phase to "rebrand" the area and it needs to be truly mixed use and transit oriented.  Not 90% parking lots and "future" office and retail development.

I hope KCMO and Missouri don't dump any more money into that with that plan.  It would be a complete and total waste of money.

If the city and state can't figure out a way to build a neighborhood there, then either turn it into a park or develop it into warehouses.

But this current project is about as FAIL as you can possibly get.
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What mixed used Development is happening 119th Street and I-35 because theirs Olathe Gateway and Phase 2 hasen't started yet. If your talking about Olathe Pointe is getting Olathe's second Jersey Mike's and fence net to Mega Marshalls has bern taken down so maybe final some more Anchors coming like Ross Dress for Less or Menards or so on.
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Bannister Mall redevelopment group buys more parcels

http://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/p ... l?ana=e_ph
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Anyone who thinks Cerner is committed to, or has a track record off, building with density has obviously never visited their north-land campus.
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Bannister Mall site could be vying for Teva Neuroscience offices

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Bannister Mall redevelopment could get new life
The TIF Commission recommended approval of the agreement with a unanimous vote, and the plan now goes to the City Council in the coming weeks.
The Three Trails plan has evolved into a planned development of office campuses where Bannister Mall once stood....

The most recent version of the $590 million TIF plan passed in 2011, and redirects portions of new property and sales taxes generated by the project to reimburse certain development costs, includes plans for 1.58 million square feet of office space and 1.2 million of retail space.
But that configuration is expected to skew in favor of more office space and less retail space as development approaches.
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not sure I like this

while it would bring jobs to KC it also would encourage sprawl
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flyingember wrote:not sure I like this

while it would bring jobs to KC it also would encourage sprawl
How is it encouraging sprawl? That area is hardly at the edge of the metro area. Immediately to the west (on the other side of 435) are areas that have been underdeveloped for decades.
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mistervinix wrote:
flyingember wrote:not sure I like this

while it would bring jobs to KC it also would encourage sprawl
How is it encouraging sprawl? That area is hardly at the edge of the metro area. Immediately to the west (on the other side of 435) are areas that have been underdeveloped for decades.
it's a closer place to work for all the people in Lee's Summit than OP or downtown

So with enough jobs there it's realistic for someone to move to that area
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Repurposing of Bannister Mall may hinge on iffy tax breaks
The aim now is to turn the site into a high-tech, business-luring office park — hinged on tax breaks from the state. But that state help may never come, thanks to an unrelated redevelopment project in St. Louis that has drawn the ire of several Missouri lawmakers and dampened enthusiasm for incentives for similar projects.

The Bannister project is being spearheaded by a company called Trails Properties II, established by senior Cerner Corp. executives Neal Patterson and Cliff Illig.
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in a few more weeks, the "south line" AA will be complete and we'll see if they want to run rail in this corridor. might help boost bannister's chances.
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http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/ ... 4d437.html

Looks like Paul McKee is trying to get the same deal for Bannister Mall that he got in St. lou for his north STL development. He figures this will get him the political leverage in Jeff City to get more funding passed. Both projects have produced nothing, yet.
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If this legislation passes, I would hope developers might use the tax credits to assemble vacant parcels and blighted houses to redevelop an entire block or adjacent blocks into denser market-rate residential housing.
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“It was a little bit like looking at Vegas at night,” [Rep. Bonnaye Mims] said. “There was something going on all the time. We had bowling alleys. We had movie theaters.”
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chaglang wrote:
“It was a little bit like looking at Vegas at night,” [Rep. Bonnaye Mims] said. “There was something going on all the time. We had bowling alleys. We had movie theaters.”
Bonnaye's a little boisterous. She's an exitable/exciting talker and has a really buoyant personality. She's also a great legislator and a real champion for SEKC. Cut her a little slack. Her larger point - that those neighborhoods were significantly better served by retail in the fairly recent past - stands.
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Yeah, I should have clarified why I pulled that quote. It wasn't to poke fun at her. It struck me as very sad because, frankly, bowling alleys and movie theatres are fairly average amenities, but the state of that part of the city is that those have become the good old days. She could have said the same thing about Troost or Prospect and it would have been just as accurate and made me just as sad.
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Outside of the Strip, Vegas could be mistaken for any other desert town
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This project has got to get off the ground and it has to include a substantial amount of market rate housing preferably single family (higher density small lots) and townhouses.

This should be a TOP priority of KCMO and Jeff City. You have like a HUGE section of metro KC just decaying that still has a chance of being stabilized or even turned around.

Otherwise, this cancer will eventually spread and reach into much of southeast metro KC, including suburban areas.
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quoth chingon:
chingon wrote:At some point somebody just needs to commit political suicide in an honorable way and confess that the best thing for the city to do is throw in the towel and quit dumping money into the infrastructure for an ex mall. Tear out all the streets and asphalt, move that fire station so it's within a half mile of an actual neighborhood, sow the land with native grass and move on.
he said this 2 years ago, and it's still true.
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