New Condos Coming To Brookside

Discuss items in the urban core outside of Downtown as described above. Everything in the core including the east side (18th & Vine area), Northeast, Plaza, Westport, Brookside, Valentine, Waldo, 39th street, & the entire midtown area.
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417 E 63rd Street, Kansas City, MO 64110 | $550,000

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Upgrades Throughout
Home boasts modern features, wood flooring, stainless steel appliances and private bathrooms.
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Upgrades Throughout
Home boasts modern features, wood flooring, stainless steel appliances and private bathrooms.
I don't get it.

Private bathrooms aren't all they're cracked up to be.
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Looks like it came out of Fahrenheit 451 movie. I suppose that design could work in areas that need a refresh (and could fit at that address) but I would hope they don't expand these in between grand homes. Some of the biggest disasters in Hyde Park and Volker are 60s meh ranch homes built between grand old homes. OTOH, there are some cool modern minimalist homes on W Side up around Summit that do compliment the old homes well.

This was considered contemporary minimalism back in the 60s. Timeless minimalism is very difficult to pull off...
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earthling wrote: Timeless minimalism is very difficult to pull off...
Umm...... this is America and we only live in the present. Be damned what the future thinks. :---)
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Everything goes out of style at some point. Then it comes back, or doesn't. Eventually the new Westside houses will be considered eyesores, as will this apartment building, as were the Timeless Homes Of Hyde Park (TM). Such is the way of the world.
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It was still a huge mistake to put 60s ranch homes in between grand old homes in Hyde Park/Volker areas. WTF.
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Weren't you just advocating for a less "originalist" view of historic buildings? :D
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Had I? I don't recall ever using that term, or any parallel reference. Did you spazmatically hop into an alternative universe for a few nanoseconds? Maybe I did, mwahaha.
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Thank goodness we're finally labeling the Westport thread what it is- an alternate universe. :lol:
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Everything goes out of style at some point. Then it comes back, or doesn't. Eventually the new Westside houses will be considered eyesores, as will this apartment building, as were the Timeless Homes Of Hyde Park (TM). Such is the way of the world.
I'm not an architect, but wouldn't you argue that despite style coming and going with time, an architect/designer's key concern should be with form - which isn't such a trendy idea?

To Earthling's point, it's not that mid-century style homes couldn't fit in Hyde Park if built to similar quality, mass, and site layout to the historic properties which provide 90% of the surrounding context. Such structures would be magnificent!

"Style" doesn't have to match surrounding context, but form/mass/site should, ideally. It's why many high-end subdivisions have square footage minimums, whether or not they restrict "style" of home. I think rad glass box designs look awesome next to 100-year old peers, and whatever the future brings will as well, as long as some respect for context is included in the design.
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I would say all these rules can be broken if a building is not that one exception. A neighborhood where you have a lot of variety on purpose can work. Briarcliff Rd south of Briarcliff Parkway is a good example. There's homes from the 1920s through to the 2010s on the same street with a variety of style, sizes and such.

At 24th and Knox is a single Spanish style home in the middle of almost entirely craftsman style homes. It just sticks out like a sore thumb. They didn't try to mimic the forms and shapes of the rest of the neighborhood.

KC Life fits this billing. They're the only structure in that area set so far back from the street, and despite being a nice building that really changes the feel of it. If they had put their statue and stairs right at the street it would be so much more impactful.
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Maybe, but it's true. Once a building hits 30-40 years old, they're at their nadir in terms of style. They're loathed. After they're about 50-60 years old, they become eligible for HTCs and you can get people excited about saving them. But the 20 years between 30 and 50 are perilous for buildings. Buildings in old pictures that everyone swoons over now were often demolished at that age because people had grown to hate them. And then everyone grew to hate the replacement, and that was town down, and then a replacement of the replacement was built and you can guess where this is headed. The buildings that make it through that - often not on their architectural merits - might start to be considered "timeless". But there's nothing inherent in a style that in and of itself renders a building timeless; sometimes they're just shitty, old buildings. Confusing style for merit is a fairly straight path to building olde-timey garbage like Centropolis, which is clearly a suburbanite's idea of what a downtown might look like. And confusing old for timeless results in overvaluing the Westport Bank building - bizarrely rererenovated to look both oldish and 70's modern - or much of the building stock in Midtown, which is old and functional but only occasionally grand.

As rxlexi points out, there are other considerations that are worth paying attention to. But, broadly, the best thing to do is build buildings like that look like they were built in the era they were built and let history play out. If they make it to the age where people love them, great. If they don't, someone will tear them down and try something new. That room for experimentation is part of what makes great cities great.
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pash wrote:
chaglang wrote:Everything goes out of style at some point. Then it comes back, or doesn't.
I hate to say this, but that sounds disturbingly like something AKP would write. ...
Like it or not, this is reality. Same goes for cars. ...and furniture ..and clothes. ...even colors.

With cars, they become old and rusty and need repairs higher than their value, sending most to the junkyard. A small percent survive 4 decades or so. Of those, some become expensive and collectible because of design or performance, but most are just old cheap cars for a hipster to tool around in. Even so, they are all put away in garages or back lots most of the time.

With furniture, old sofas get donated or thrown away when out of style. Some pieces will survive a five decades. Of those, a few with good design become expensive at a fancy retro decor shop. Most are just ugly old junk and still head to the dump. Along the way, they were always out of public view.

With clothes, old clothes get donated or thrown away when out of style. A few garments survive a few decades. Of those, a few with good design become expensive at a fancy retro clothier. Most are just ugly old clothes and still head to the dump. Along the way, they have been hidden in closets or basements.

With colors, trendy colors come and go. Some return and are hip again, but most never return to fashion. In most cases, color can be changed quickly and cost effectively, no matter what its on.

With architecture, out of style buildings continue to display their unloved-ness proudly in a neighborhood for generations. Us designers like to think we are designing buildings "of our time", but there are consequences to this. Are we better than those 1970's architects at our craft? Are we better than those 1980's architects at our craft? Are we better than those 1990's architects at our craft? We like to think we are, but so did they. The best buildings "of our time" will look cool for 15 years or so, then get shabby and out of style for the next 40-70 years. The best of them will be loved again after that two generation gap, but most wont. Most of the also-rans will never be loved again. Look out your window right now at a '60s or '70s or '80s building and try to imagine how long it was originally loved and when (or if) it will ever be loved again. Today's designs are no better, we just like to think they are. Our grand kids will remind us of that fact in 50 years.
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Look at how many buildings we're removing facings and exposing terra cotta or putting in removing drop ceilings, paint or such hiding tin or exposed wood, or covering over brick with sheetrock.

They covered up this detail because it was out of style.

A good example of a building in style and designed to be changed is 1914 Main. Almost everything about it can be covered up or replaced in the future and change the look.
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earthling wrote:It was still a huge mistake to put 60s ranch homes in between grand old homes in Hyde Park/Volker areas. WTF.
Patience, grasshopper. The split level ranch is going to be the mid century modern of the 2020s.
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Haha, I suppose if public display of scatology comes into vogue too... but hey, someone like Trump got elected so anything can happen. How low can we go?
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