Historic Old Northeast

Discuss items in the urban core outside of Downtown as described above. Everything in the core including the east side (18th & Vine area), Plaza, Westport, Brookside, Valentine, Waldo, 39th street, & the entire midtown area.
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Re: Historic Old Northeast

Postby Eon Blue » Thu Jan 05, 2017 4:42 pm

They would be perfect for student housing!

It's a constant struggle here (and maybe everywhere?) with institutions in the city like KCUMB, St. Luke's, KCLife, etc. They're valuable assets, but how do you keep them from consuming the neighborhoods around them and enlarging these holes in the fabric of the city?

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Re: Historic Old Northeast

Postby grovester » Thu Jan 05, 2017 7:09 pm

For parking spots! Doesn't sound like a done deal though.

http://northeastnews.net/pages/?p=34662

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Re: Historic Old Northeast

Postby FangKC » Fri Jan 06, 2017 11:01 am

It puzzles me that the university is buying all the mentioned properties to demolish for parking, when it already owns several vacant parcels south of Independence Avenue--and others that are presently grassy lots, or not used for anything useful at all.

I've also wondered why the university didn't purchase the Colonades years ago for student housing. KCUMB doesn't own any student housing. There are plenty of older apartment buildings around their campus they could have purchased for that purpose in the past. The news article does mention that KCUMB isn't in the business of managing properties though. It seems strange to me that they don't have their own housing for at least some of their students.

Many of their students rent apartments in the Century Towers across the street. There appear to be 224 apartments in that building. The university has 1,100 students enrolled.

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Re: Historic Old Northeast

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Re: Historic Old Northeast

Postby FangKC » Fri Jan 06, 2017 11:40 am

I'm puzzled why KCMO still owns that large parcel indicated on the lower left of the photo?

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Re: Historic Old Northeast

Postby FangKC » Fri Jan 06, 2017 1:36 pm

The university also bought that auto body shop building on Admiral and Highland. I think it was constructed as a Piggly Wiggly store.

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Re: Historic Old Northeast

Postby Eon Blue » Fri Jan 06, 2017 3:14 pm

They've cleared the junkyard around the building and put up a fence. Hard to tell if anything has been done to the building.

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Re: Historic Old Northeast

Postby NorthOak » Fri Jan 06, 2017 3:29 pm

If the city would get that 7-11 (Woodland) and BP gas station (Maple) out of there that area would improve 100% more.
The drugs and crime around those 2 places are why KCUMB doesn't want their students parking and walking from that far south.
It's simply a freak show behind there.
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Re: Historic Old Northeast

Postby flyingember » Fri Jan 06, 2017 8:42 pm

FangKC wrote:I'm puzzled why KCMO still owns that large parcel indicated on the lower left of the photo?

That's a weird exception in the parcel viewer. It's park green but not selectable. The lot lines don't form a shape, the lines just stop here.

Looks like it might be part of Kessler Park. If it's parkland it takes a vote to completely get rid of it.

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Re: Historic Old Northeast

Postby missingkc » Fri Jan 13, 2017 7:25 pm

regarding the KCU purchase of Colonial Courts and other neighboring properties:

"KCU has no immediate plans for development on the Brownell properties, located between Woodland Avenue and Maple Street. The other property, Colonial Courts, will include an expansion of the existing parking lot to address an immediate parking shortage for the university.

Alex said the space also would allow for the eventual construction of new academic buildings.According to a staff report, KCU owns eight parcels, with nine structures, within the historic overlay district. Revised plans show that KCU plans to relocate structurally sound buildings instead of demolishing them. Alex said KCU has been working with the local neighborhood association to modify plans for historic preservation.

KCU’s $75 million master plan, drafted in 2013, proposes expansion and improvements to the campus, including the new simulation center, parking and green space. The master plan incorporates KCU’s anticipated growth needs during the next three to five years, according to the staff report. This growth is expected to occur incrementally, with new buildings, renovations, parking areas and other site enhancements."

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Re: Historic Old Northeast

Postby FangKC » Fri Jan 13, 2017 10:45 pm

In the past two weeks, The Northeast News published a proposed campus map that showed expanded parking, and also plans to close Woodland Avenue between Independence Avenue and Brownell. They have already closed Highland as a through street. I looked for the proposed campus changes online, but didn't find it. I would have scanned it, but I threw the paper out.

This was the first campus map I've seen where it proposed closing Woodland.

Here's a Google aerial view of the area for reference.

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1079811,-94.5607469,325m/data=!3m1!1e3

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Re: Historic Old Northeast

Postby FangKC » Fri Jan 13, 2017 11:14 pm

KCCat wrote:
Midtownkid wrote:http://www.kmbc.com/news/historic-scarritt-mansion-destroyed-by-fire/41727720

This is terrible! :shock:

They have done such a beautiful job with this place. Had anyone seen the new garage with stained glass window they recently completed??

I really hope they can rebuild and make it look almost as great as it did.


I haven't seen whether the Scarritt home can be rebuilt or if it is a total loss, but I was so sad when I saw the terrible news.

I love the Northeast area of Kansas City and am so glad I took a picture of this beautiful home in February 2008.

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An update on the rebuilding of the Scarritt house on Norledge that was severely damaged by fire. A new roof structure was lifted and installed this week using a crane.

http://www.kshb.com/news/local-news/neighbors-help-rebuild-historic-kansas-city-home-after-fire

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Re: Historic Old Northeast

Postby KCtoBrooklyn » Tue Feb 07, 2017 1:48 pm

I noticed on the KCMO Development Tracker Map that a proposal has come up for a retail building at Independence and Prospect on the lot of the building lost in the fire. 1 Story, 8,000 sq ft, 6 unit retail building. Northing special (especially compared to what was lost), but at least the building is facing the street and parking is in the rear. Better than this lot sitting vacant indefinitely.

Elevations: http://maps.kcmo.org/kcgis/rest/services/external/DataLayers/FeatureServer/35/44605/attachments/7372

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Re: Historic Old Northeast

Postby KansasCityGypsy » Fri Feb 17, 2017 4:20 pm

It appears that KCU will probably have to go through Landmarks to demolish the Colonial Courts no matter the outcome of the MPD plan.


KCU MPD makes it through committee, set for Council next week:

http://northeastnews.net/pages/?p=35005

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Re: Historic Old Northeast

Postby KansasCityGypsy » Sun Feb 19, 2017 7:14 pm

On January 17, 2017, residents of Historic Northeast learned that KCU was planning an unprecedented action at City Hall. They asked that their future development not adhere to existing zoning standards, most specifically, the parks and rec standards and the historic district standards. Over the last month, a group of concerned citizens from Historic Northeast met and planned to inform all citizens of HNE, knowing that all of us who chose to live in HNE would recognize that destroying and ignoring our historic architecture would work in opposition to our investments. However, KCU partnered with Councilmen Lucas and Reed to push the issue through despite the legal issues and neighborhood opposition. Part of the problem is that KCU brings its employees to city council/committee meetings, held midday and midweek. Those of us in opposition have jobs. We have not been able to show up in truly representative numbers, Our last shot at stopping KCU's crazy plan is now. Cm. Lucas has asked that all concerned citizens meet him at the Northeast Library (6000 Wilson) tomorrow evening at 6:30 pm to discuss the issue. No one has to speak. Just showing up en masse would show this very savvy attorney with hopes of becoming KC mayor one day that Historic Northeast will not be taken advantage of without a fight. I am personally inviting you, your family, friends, and neighbors to join us tomorrow to show Cm. Lucas that HNE is a vibrant, engaged, invested community that expects more from its representatives. Please, say you will join us.Also, please pass this message on to everyone you know who may be inclined to join use. We need all the people we can get! Thanks for your time and attention!

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Re: Historic Old Northeast

Postby kcjak » Fri May 19, 2017 11:24 am

Disheartening. City Council revokes historic designation of the colonnades to allow for them to be torn down for KCUMB parking.

http://www.kansascity.com/news/business/development/article151414032.html

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Re: Historic Old Northeast

Postby mgh7676 » Fri May 19, 2017 7:54 pm

I guess I don't understand how something can stop being historic? Will be sad to see these leave the neighborhood.

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Re: Historic Old Northeast

Postby FangKC » Wed May 24, 2017 9:13 pm

This is a troubling issue because it has implications for every historic district in the City. A precedent has now been set where any property within an already existing historic district can be removed by the City. This could easily affect the River Market, Downtown, Crossroads, West Bottoms, Jazz District, Armour Boulevard, Westport, the Plaza, W. 39th Street, and any designated historic residential district.

Watch what corporations and big institutions may try to do now (Kansas City Life, UMKC, Rockhurst, St. Luke's, Nelson-Atkins) to expand their campuses and add parking.

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Re: Historic Old Northeast

Postby aknowledgeableperson » Tue May 30, 2017 11:51 pm

Ok let the discussion begin.
http://www.urbo.com/content/these-are-5 ... in-america
1. City Center in Newburgh, New Jersey
2. Washington Highlands in Washington, D.C.
3. Altgeld Gardens in Chicago, Illinois
"4. The Intersection of Independence and Prospect Avenues, in Kansas City, Missouri
Where Independence and Providence Avenues cross, and in the areas surrounding this major intersection, people look over their shoulders as they walk down the street. You might not think of Kansas City, Missouri as a violent city, but it has concentrations of poverty just like any city of a decent size. This is one of them, and it's among the most violent places in the nation. 
The violent crime rate per 1,000 people tops 100, at 104.81. While statisticians still boil that down to a 1-in-10 chance of being a victim of such a crime, it proves that this little neighborhood in Kansas City is even more dangerous than Chicago's storied public housing projects."
5. The Intersection of East E.H. Crump Boulevard and South 4th Street in Memphis, Tennessee

Of course the numbers are reversed. The #5 is the most dangerous neighborhood with a rate of 106.27.

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Re: Historic Old Northeast

Postby FangKC » Wed May 31, 2017 3:01 am

When I think of the most dangerous parts of KCMO, Indy and Prospect isn't the one that comes to mind. Sure there is some crime, but the more dangerous parts of the City are as you go south of 27th Street east of Paseo.

I think the epicenter of violent crime is probably around 40th and Prospect.


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