Westport

lock+load · Post by **lock+load** » Tue Jul 11, 2017 1:26 pm

Would like to see St. Lukes vacate all of their property north of 43rd. Plenty of space for a huge garage where they just tore down the building no SE corner of 43rd & Wornall.

pash · Post by **pash** » Tue Jul 11, 2017 2:20 pm

earthling · Post by **earthling** » Tue Jul 11, 2017 4:41 pm

If anything maybe St Lukes would agree to Westport employees parking in their lots on Fri/Sat nights (with a special WP employee pass with unique # assigned to employee). Any cars left in morning risk loosing their pass. That would free up spaces for others. And WP biz should otherwise encourage workers to bus and/or bike to work or even say reimburse for $3 in/out bus fare on weekend nights.

chingon · Post by **chingon** » Tue Jul 11, 2017 10:18 pm

lock+load wrote:Would like to see St. Lukes vacate all of their property north of 43rd. Plenty of space for a huge garage where they just tore down the building no SE corner of 43rd & Wornall.

If memory serves, that "building" was mostly a parking garage...

flyingember · Post by **flyingember** » Wed Jul 12, 2017 8:17 am

chingon wrote:
lock+load wrote:Would like to see St. Lukes vacate all of their property north of 43rd. Plenty of space for a huge garage where they just tore down the building no SE corner of 43rd & Wornall.
If memory serves, that "building" was mostly a parking garage...

They tore down two things. you can go look at them in older google street view.

At 43rd/Wornall was a one story + basement level ~1960s to 80s style structure taken out 2014-2015 time frame. It didn't look ugly, just nondescript.

The parking garage was a separate structure mid on the block between Wornall and Broadway and it was removed the year after.

earthling · Post by **earthling** » Thu Jul 13, 2017 9:08 am

Latest Westport Manor proposal...

Located between Pennsylvania Avenue on the east, Mill Street on the west, Westport Road on the south and surface parking on the north, the West Port Terrace at Manor Square project now calls for 215 apartments and a 120-room hotel over 47,750 square feet of new retail and office. The project also would incorporate the existing Char Bar restaurant, 4050 Pennsylvania, on the ground floor of a proposed seven-story apartment tower on Pennsylvania Avenue; the existing Manor Square building, which includes Tivoli Cinemas; and the existing Manor Square parking garage.

The 700-space garage, which is between the sites for the new apartment tower and the proposed nine-story boutique hotel on Mill Street, would be topped by a rooftop park.

Cole said apartments will range from 400-square-foot micro units to three-bedroom units and will rent for an average of about $2 a square foot.

Will leave at least 250 garage spots for public parking, avg daily use is 180.

Would depend on hotel operator but would be nice if apts could get hotel services. There aren't many of those in KC and would be a standout for attracting renters. And the hotel services gets some side biz during down periods.

Rendering...
https://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/ ... -city.html

kcjak · Post by **kcjak** » Thu Jul 13, 2017 9:53 am

So it appears they are going to wrap around Char Bar's beer garden/outside area?

Post by **DaveKCMO** » Thu Jul 13, 2017 3:02 pm

pash wrote:
shinatoo wrote:The Plaza is a single owner that's entire concept was built on car convenience. Plus they built, and own, their own parking.
Most of the garages added in recent decades were paid for by sales taxes collected in a TDD. They're owned by the city, and the city lets anyone park in them for free because that's the city's policy.

parcel viewer disagrees -- they're all owned by the plaza, as far as i can tell.

some relevant info about the country club plaza TDD:

http://168.166.15.212/repository/press/2006-12.pdf

http://cityclerk.kcmo.org/LiveWeb/Docum ... 0vwsUdo%3D

http://cityclerk.kcmo.org/LiveWeb/Docum ... %2BQ%3D%3D

i'd be interested to see the cooperative agreement. you'd probably need make a sunshine act request to see it.

kboish · Post by **kboish** » Thu Jul 13, 2017 3:22 pm

Justus and Shields are introducing a "moratorium" on development in Westport until historic survey is completed...in 9 months. it is unclear how this affects projects currently in pipeline process.

earthling · Post by **earthling** » Thu Jul 13, 2017 3:30 pm

Westport Manor project doesn't appear to impact any buildings over 50 years old, does it?

Post by **DaveKCMO** » Thu Jul 13, 2017 3:44 pm

kboish wrote:Justus and Shields are introducing a "moratorium" on development in Westport until historic survey is completed...in 9 months. it is unclear how this affects projects currently in pipeline process.

clearly not the truck stop quiktrip, which just got approved.

earthling · Post by **earthling** » Thu Jul 13, 2017 3:46 pm

^crap

kcjak · Post by **kcjak** » Thu Jul 13, 2017 3:55 pm

kboish wrote:Justus and Shields are introducing a "moratorium" on development in Westport until historic survey is completed...in 9 months. it is unclear how this affects projects currently in pipeline process.

http://kcrag.com/index.php

Nine months?!? I can walk the area in a couple hours and note which structures are historic.

beautyfromashes · Post by **beautyfromashes** » Thu Jul 13, 2017 5:05 pm

Someone's tell me how Shields got elected.

loftguy · Post by **loftguy** » Thu Jul 13, 2017 5:06 pm

kcjak wrote:
kboish wrote:Justus and Shields are introducing a "moratorium" on development in Westport until historic survey is completed...in 9 months. it is unclear how this affects projects currently in pipeline process.
http://kcrag.com/index.php

Nine months?!? I can walk the area in a couple hours and note which structures are historic.

Yes, but it takes the eight months and 29 days to get enough people to buy-in and commit to that list to make it mean anything.

flyingember · Post by **flyingember** » Thu Jul 13, 2017 5:09 pm

The study of the buildings from the outside is only part of the work.

it includes lead time to schedule the study, schedule time with all owners over weeks or months, review in person all buildings inside and out from top to bottom, compare to original photos and plans, write up results and schedule time to present.

Historic value isn't in looking old, it's in maintenance of the parts of the building that give it value.

If the neighborhood is 90% shells that have been gutted over and over there's more reason for the council to reject the same for a building which has been maintained inside.

You're also not picking a period and assigning value based on date of construction. If we only approve tear downs of buildings newer than 1960 at some point we won't have any left, and would have made the same mistake as in the past.

The only way to get agreement on the results of being fair is to value every buildings as it is today relative to its age

TheBigChuckbowski · Post by **TheBigChuckbowski** » Thu Jul 13, 2017 5:18 pm

Don't pretend like this is anything more than a NIMBY strategy to stop development (aka parking and traffic).

How many decades have they had the opportunity to put a historic survey together and they only do it now that developers want to build something over two stories? No survey when buildings were torn down for parking lots. No survey when strip malls were built.

I fully support saving historic buildings and the grid of Westport. That's not what this is.

pash · Post by **pash** » Thu Jul 13, 2017 6:38 pm

Post by **DaveKCMO** » Thu Jul 13, 2017 8:30 pm

i have a version now, if you want it.

pash · Post by **pash** » Thu Jul 13, 2017 9:23 pm

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