Plaza move-ins (ongoing)

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Re: Plaza move-ins (ongoing)

Postby missingkc » Sat Feb 10, 2018 6:32 am

It doesn't necessarily have to be all or nothing for the tennis courts. There are 14. Removal of just the 4 on 47th st would open a fair amount of land for redevelopment.

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Re: Plaza move-ins (ongoing)

Postby earthling » Sat Feb 10, 2018 10:02 am

missingkc wrote:It doesn't necessarily have to be all or nothing for the tennis courts. There are 14. Removal of just the 4 on 47th st would open a fair amount of land for redevelopment.


That would be a reasonable compromise but a waste of space still for such a prime spot - and once realized could become more complicated to redevelop the rest. Think big then reduce what can't be realistically accomplished...

* Any neighborhoody/streetcar stop friendly retail that Plaza owners apparently don't want to touch - upscale CVS and/or Market3 small counter eats/coffee joint/basics, local counter eats, drycleaner, etc.
* Some form of a park plaza with lots of seating, fountain(s) facing actual streetcar stop.
* MainCor 'safezone' office/security with public restrooms, ATM, etc. perhaps staffed during streetcar hours. Or even better...
* KCPD Midtown/Plaza pedestrian/bike patrol unit? Just thinking big. Should reduce troublemakers for what will become a key touristy hotspot.
* Next Floor (or two) - Plaza Library
* Top Floor - Indoor tennis courts/sports (or on rooftop)

Anything TOD related would be better than surface courts using up space that will clearly become a major hotspot. But to Grid/Highander's point, a full blown transit center that tends to attract congregating vagrants might not work, buses should pass through a nearby stop rather than layover. Maybe just call it Plaza Streetcar Center.

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Re: Plaza move-ins (ongoing)

Postby mgsports » Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:40 pm

Getting places new to KC area.

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Re: Plaza move-ins (ongoing)

Postby flyingember » Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:07 pm

mgsports wrote:Getting places new to KC area.

What every retail project says 101

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Re: Plaza move-ins (ongoing)

Postby mgsports » Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:09 am

http://cbre.vo.llnwd.net/grgservices/se ... 91c49c029b Academy Sports or Burlington Coat Factory.

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Re: Plaza move-ins (ongoing)

Postby TheSmokinPun » Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:24 am

mgsports wrote:http://cbre.vo.llnwd.net/grgservices/secure/Kansas%20City%20Market%20Outlook%202018.pdf?e=1518584578&h=c061088e6d3997b60a3aab91c49c029b Academy Sports or Burlington Coat Factory.


I pray for the day that the Plaza has a Burlington Coat Factory.

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Re: Plaza move-ins (ongoing)

Postby NorthOak » Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:16 pm

TheSmokinPun wrote:I pray for the day that the Plaza has a Burlington Coat Factory.


I love Burlington, but it would bring in the wrong purely ghetto element.
It will never, ever happen.
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Re: Plaza move-ins (ongoing)

Postby mykn » Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:51 pm

NorthOak wrote:purely ghetto element


Uhhhh... what do you mean by this?

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Re: Plaza move-ins (ongoing)

Postby nomadcowatbk » Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:03 pm

NorthOak wrote:
TheSmokinPun wrote:I pray for the day that the Plaza has a Burlington Coat Factory.


I love Burlington, but it would bring in the wrong purely ghetto element.


Foot Locker and the Nike store don't already, how many plaza stores store baby clothes :D

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Re: Plaza move-ins (ongoing)

Postby flyingember » Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:09 pm

NorthOak wrote:
TheSmokinPun wrote:I pray for the day that the Plaza has a Burlington Coat Factory.


I love Burlington, but it would bring in the wrong purely ghetto element.
It will never, ever happen.

It’s official. I’m ghetto.

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Re: Plaza move-ins (ongoing)

Postby KCPowercat » Tue Feb 20, 2018 9:23 pm

RIP P3

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Re: Plaza move-ins (ongoing)

Postby WoodDraw » Tue Feb 20, 2018 9:35 pm

This had been rumored for years, but sad to see them go.

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Re: Plaza move-ins (ongoing)

Postby beautyfromashes » Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:40 pm

I actually can’t believe they lasted this long.

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Re: Plaza move-ins (ongoing)

Postby Highlander » Wed Feb 21, 2018 12:35 am

beautyfromashes wrote:I actually can’t believe they lasted this long.


I was in there for lunch about a year ago. I think we were the only people in the restaurant in the middle of the lunch hour that day. Our friends said that they had lost a lot of their clientele. The place was very old style.

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Re: Plaza move-ins (ongoing)

Postby nomadcowatbk » Wed Feb 21, 2018 2:43 am

what replaces it? Outback? Burlington Coat Factory? TJ Maxx?

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Re: Plaza move-ins (ongoing)

Postby nomadcowatbk » Wed Feb 21, 2018 2:45 am

Highlander wrote:
beautyfromashes wrote:I actually can’t believe they lasted this long.


I was in there for lunch about a year ago. I think we were the only people in the restaurant in the middle of the lunch hour that day. Our friends said that they had lost a lot of their clientele. The place was very old style.


so their clientele died off and wasn't replaced?

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Re: Plaza move-ins (ongoing)

Postby WoodDraw » Wed Feb 21, 2018 3:21 am

Kind of seems that way. Their well known sommelier retired a few years ago, and some of the old guard years before that. Their menu very, very rarely changed and was basically a straight grain fed beef menu with table sides.

It wasn't a very innovative place to go to, and the food and drinks were never great for the price. I know a lot of people will miss the history, but I don't know many that will miss that actual restaurant.

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Re: Plaza move-ins (ongoing)

Postby KCLover » Wed Feb 21, 2018 12:25 pm

Haddad Restaurant Group took it over some time ago and did absolutely nothing but cut costs and ride the coattails of it's former glory. History and name recognition kept them open this long, but without updating this is what happens. Seems like anything Haddad takes over fails at some point. Winstead's is probably next.

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Re: Plaza move-ins (ongoing)

Postby Highlander » Wed Feb 21, 2018 11:09 pm

KCLover wrote:Haddad Restaurant Group took it over some time ago and did absolutely nothing but cut costs and ride the coattails of it's former glory. History and name recognition kept them open this long, but without updating this is what happens. Seems like anything Haddad takes over fails at some point. Winstead's is probably next.


I also hear they were a pain in the butt to work for and ran off a lot of their better employees.

I do hate seeing a lot of KC's classic long standing restaurants close down but some of them (e.g., Savoy Grill) just didn't try to stay current. If you are looking for high end, there are very few long surviving restaurants (Hereford House but in a vastly different incarnation), Savoy Grill, Plaza III, Stephensons, and The American are all kaput now. I guess Jasper's goes back a long way but, again, in a very different form (103rd street vs Waldo).

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Re: Plaza move-ins (ongoing)

Postby longviewmo » Thu Feb 22, 2018 7:29 pm

but some of them (e.g., Savoy Grill) just didn't try to stay current


I think the fire might have had something to do with that.

(Hereford House but in a vastly different incarnation)


Again, fire.


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