Capping the Loop

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Re: Capping the Loop

Postby Pork Chop » Wed Jan 10, 2018 4:51 pm

ldai_phs wrote:Look for some announcements later this year. Privately funded studies are ongoing without public funds.



Good info coming out today.

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Re: Capping the Loop

Postby DaveKCMO » Wed Jan 10, 2018 9:18 pm

...and no one's involving the crossroads.

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Re: Capping the Loop

Postby KCPowercat » Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:28 pm

DaveKCMO wrote:...and no one's involving the crossroads.


Like to share the costs?

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Re: Capping the Loop

Postby DaveKCMO » Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:34 pm

KCPowercat wrote:
DaveKCMO wrote:...and no one's involving the crossroads.


Like to share the costs?


no. we have no money. that entire project is our northern border and we deserve a voice in the design.

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Re: Capping the Loop

Postby KCPowercat » Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:43 pm

DaveKCMO wrote:
KCPowercat wrote:
DaveKCMO wrote:...and no one's involving the crossroads.


Like to share the costs?


no. we have no money. that entire project is our northern border and we deserve a voice in the design.


I'd agree...seems like they are in the "how much money will this cost to do anything" phase, not the design phase.

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Re: Capping the Loop

Postby flyingember » Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:22 am

KCPowercat wrote:I'd agree...seems like they are in the "how much money will this cost to do anything" phase, not the design phase.

Neighborhoods must be involved at the point someone has figured out which options are even possible

No point in bringing up options that cant be done because the engineering required means it's twice as much as another option.

Kind of like the north loop survey. They came with a few options that were well thought out.

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Re: Capping the Loop

Postby DaveKCMO » Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:47 am

KCPowercat wrote:
DaveKCMO wrote:
KCPowercat wrote:
Like to share the costs?


no. we have no money. that entire project is our northern border and we deserve a voice in the design.


I'd agree...seems like they are in the "how much money will this cost to do anything" phase, not the design phase.


um, no. they are surely not doing a final design, but they must make certain design assumptions (routing of truman, VACATION of walnut, water/sewer impacts, number of blocks included) to get to a cost estimate. we've asked repeatedly to be involved in DTC's discussions and not one peep.

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Re: Capping the Loop

Postby KCPowercat » Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:00 am

Fair points.

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Re: Capping the Loop

Postby Critical_Mass » Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:20 am

DaveKCMO wrote:
KCPowercat wrote:
DaveKCMO wrote: VACATION of walnut


Terrible idea to vacate Walnut as seen in one or more of the Cordish renderings.
Vacation of Main, allowing only the streetcar thru the park, should be looked at. It could force drivers to actually use the other N-S streets in the grid instead of clogging up Main Street from 10th to 16th Street every time there is an event going on downtown.

They should most definitely be involving the Streetcar Authority & RideKC if any street vacations are being looked at.

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Re: Capping the Loop

Postby KCPowercat » Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:42 pm

Vacating main is a great idea

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Re: Capping the Loop

Postby flyingember » Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:00 pm

KCPowercat wrote:Vacating main is a great idea

I would think need to be much bigger than one block.

The problem is there's so many destinations still. You're not going to be able to detour someone heading to a parking lot at 18th from taking Main. They'll go around and cut over at 14th and back over at 16th.

The crossroads should have a ban on new curb cuts onto Main and a plan to close the current ones.
Get rid of the cuts, a train only street from Truman to Pershing could be doable. The corridor is well placed for reduced parking requirements over time.

I would say this would be a good item post UMKC streetcar extension. Build that, reduce KC sourced traffic from midtown and look at improving streetcar travel speeds in the crossroads.

The river market, that's doable today. 5th and Delaware could easily go train only just by turning Missouri and Main into a two-way and have an allowance for alley access. Keep Grand and 3rd for car traffic.

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Re: Capping the Loop

Postby DaveKCMO » Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:01 pm

flyingember wrote:Get rid of the cuts, a train only street from Truman to Pershing could be doable.


if your focus is streetcar speed and reliability (the only reason to dedicate space to transit), you don't need to remove cars from main street in the crossroads. you need to remove them from truman to 12th. a simpler fix for the crossroads section would be to reduce or eliminate the on-street parking.

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Re: Capping the Loop

Postby normalthings » Thu Mar 01, 2018 8:08 pm

Cap to cost $140 M. Would create ~$500m in value. Per New HNTB study.

Article coming soon on city scene

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Re: Capping the Loop

Postby KCPowercat » Thu Mar 01, 2018 8:17 pm

#dontclosewalnut

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Re: Capping the Loop

Postby beautyfromashes » Thu Mar 01, 2018 8:48 pm

Have the city and Cornish split the cost of capping the loop and the originally agreed upon parking garage. Win-win, done deal.

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Re: Capping the Loop

Postby flyingember » Thu Mar 01, 2018 9:59 pm

ldai_phs wrote:Cap to cost $140 M. Would create ~$500m in value. Per New HNTB study.

Article coming soon on city scene

That's way cheaper than I expected

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Re: Capping the Loop

Postby LCDSI » Mon Mar 05, 2018 11:27 am

fyi; here's the cityscene posting. seems like this proposal is still a long ways off from becoming a reality.

https://cityscenekc.com/dream-of-reconn ... ally-less/

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Re: Capping the Loop

Postby WoodDraw » Mon Mar 05, 2018 11:52 am

I just can't figure out where the money will come from.

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Re: Capping the Loop

Postby LCDSI » Mon Mar 05, 2018 11:59 am

WoodDraw wrote:I just can't figure out where the money will come from.


Exactly. I think everyone wants this done but there just isn't enough private funding to help kickstart this.

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Re: Capping the Loop

Postby grovester » Mon Mar 05, 2018 12:01 pm

Has Cordish indicated their anticipated contribution?


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