Capping the Loop

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Re: Capping the Loop

Post by normalthings » Sun Apr 26, 2015 10:41 am

JBmidtown wrote:Is decking/capping across the whole south loop out of the question? The report from 2009 says the whole project wwould cost $145+ million. What other improvements does the bond package go towards?
According to the city weekly agenda, the GO bond will not exceed 93.5 Million dollars

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Re: Capping the Loop

Post by flyingember » Sun Apr 26, 2015 3:44 pm

If I were picking, i would do Walnut next. It's getting the next tower right at it so there's going to be hundreds of new residents along it within the next few years.

Best to improve that experience so it's not a barrier to people visiting the crossroads from downtown. The train is great, but it doesn't make sense to walk to 14th, hop on the train and ride to 16th and get off when you can walk to 16th and Walnut.

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Re: Capping the Loop

Post by normalthings » Sun Apr 26, 2015 4:43 pm

Power and Light Park?

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Re: Capping the Loop

Post by DaveKCMO » Fri May 01, 2015 4:14 pm

ldai_phs wrote:
JBmidtown wrote:Is decking/capping across the whole south loop out of the question? The report from 2009 says the whole project wwould cost $145+ million. What other improvements does the bond package go towards?
According to the city weekly agenda, the GO bond will not exceed 93.5 Million dollars
you must be looking at the wrong bond issuance. it will exceed that, guaranteed.

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Re: Capping the Loop

Post by kboish » Sat May 02, 2015 9:16 am

ldai_phs wrote:
JBmidtown wrote:Is decking/capping across the whole south loop out of the question? The report from 2009 says the whole project wwould cost $145+ million. What other improvements does the bond package go towards?
According to the city weekly agenda, the GO bond will not exceed 93.5 Million dollars
That $93.5 million figure oN last weeks agenda you were looking at is a refinancing package on existing bonds that should save the city about $8million in debt payments. If they want to cap the loop they will need to issue new bonds that would require a vote.

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Re: Capping the Loop

Post by normalthings » Sat May 02, 2015 10:14 pm

kboish wrote:
ldai_phs wrote:
JBmidtown wrote:Is decking/capping across the whole south loop out of the question? The report from 2009 says the whole project wwould cost $145+ million. What other improvements does the bond package go towards?
According to the city weekly agenda, the GO bond will not exceed 93.5 Million dollars
That $93.5 million figure oN last weeks agenda you were looking at is a refinancing package on existing bonds that should save the city about $8million in debt payments. If they want to cap the loop they will need to issue new bonds that would require a vote.
Ah ok. I'd personally rather see the money go into subsidies or streetcar expansion then into capping the loop. No point in capping it till theirs much stronger demand for land downtown.

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Re: Capping the Loop

Post by KCPowercat » Sun May 03, 2015 1:11 pm

I think MoDot should pay for it since they made the mess to begin with.

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Re: Capping the Loop

Post by aknowledgeableperson » Mon May 04, 2015 3:40 pm

KCPowercat wrote:I think MoDot should pay for it since they made the mess to begin with.
But not without the blessings of the City.

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Re: Capping the Loop

Post by FangKC » Tue May 05, 2015 8:48 pm

I would imagine that if it is ever done that there will be some federal transportation money kicked in as well.

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Re: Capping the Loop

Post by FangKC » Thu Oct 01, 2015 12:28 am

Article discussing replacing part of the Central Freeway through the Hayes Valley and Western Addition neighborhoods in San Francisco, and creating a boulevard.

From Freeway to Boulevard

http://urbanland.uli.org/infrastructure ... boulevard/

Google Streetview showing the new boulevard where a decked freeway used to pass through the neighborhood.

http://tinyurl.com/nnnr6ob

http://tinyurl.com/nou5kt6

Removal of the decked freeway opened up parcels for redevelopment.

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Re: Capping the Loop

Post by normalthings » Sun Oct 04, 2015 1:04 pm

With inflation, cost of capping would go from $145-175 Million in 2009 Report to $160-$195 Million Today.

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Re: Capping the Loop

Post by shinatoo » Sun Oct 04, 2015 6:47 pm

ldai_phs wrote:With inflation, cost of capping would go from $145-175 Million in 2009 Report to $160-$195 Million Today.
Better money spent on that then an arena or stadium, in my opinion.
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Re: Capping the Loop

Post by normalthings » Sun Oct 04, 2015 8:08 pm

shinatoo wrote:
ldai_phs wrote:With inflation, cost of capping would go from $145-175 Million in 2009 Report to $160-$195 Million Today.
Better money spent on that then an arena or stadium, in my opinion.
i agree. this would be used on the daily, compared to a stadium that would only be used a couple days a year.

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Re: Capping the Loop

Post by geeman68 » Mon Oct 05, 2015 9:33 am

ldai_phs wrote:
shinatoo wrote:
ldai_phs wrote:With inflation, cost of capping would go from $145-175 Million in 2009 Report to $160-$195 Million Today.
Better money spent on that then an arena or stadium, in my opinion.
i agree. this would be used on the daily, compared to a stadium that would only be used a couple days a year.
The Royals Stadium would not be a "couple" days a year. But I like capping the loop and adding parks or additional builds on top versus a stadium.

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Re: Capping the Loop

Post by beautyfromashes » Mon Oct 05, 2015 10:42 am

It was my understanding that part of capping the loop would be removing Truman Road and allowing development of that land. Wouldn't selling off that valuable land, directly in front of the park and facing DT offset some of the cost?

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Re: Capping the Loop

Post by flyingember » Mon Oct 05, 2015 10:50 am

who says it would be a park?

a cap could be buildings.

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Re: Capping the Loop

Post by mgh7676 » Mon Oct 05, 2015 11:16 am

It is interesting that the Two Light building appears to front both Truman & Grand. I know some people were worried that if this section was ever capped, the surrounding buildings wouldn't interact with the new land.

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Re: Capping the Loop

Post by normalthings » Mon Oct 05, 2015 12:19 pm

flyingember wrote:who says it would be a park?

a cap could be buildings.
The planned cap is in fact both. The convention center is planned to be expanded past the ballroom. The rest would be capped and turned into a park. Truman road would be re-routed to the north.

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Re: Capping the Loop

Post by shinatoo » Mon Oct 05, 2015 3:58 pm

Should put the stadiums over the trench. Two birds, one stone. BOOM! *

*I have not even looked to see if there is anywhere near enough room.
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