Hotel Bravo- 17th and Wyandotte

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Re: Hotel Bravo- 17th and Wyandotte

Post by flyingember » Wed Sep 12, 2018 3:13 pm

Midtownkid wrote:
Wed Sep 12, 2018 3:02 pm
Creating that stair at the end of 17th Street, connecting Baltimore to the PAC is something I have envisioned for years! I'm glad it is part of this design.
You're not going to like to hear that they don't own the land the stairs would end up at and would need an easement to keep them usable

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Re: Hotel Bravo- 17th and Wyandotte

Post by normalthings » Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:03 pm

I wonder if they are in Kahoots with the other property owner then. It makes no sense to build the stairs otherwise.

Since the hotel envisions leaving half the parcel as a green field, do you think there is some sort of phase 2? Any ideas for why the empty field would be left and what it would/could be used for?

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Re: Hotel Bravo- 17th and Wyandotte

Post by Chris Stritzel » Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:08 pm

normalthings wrote:
Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:03 pm
Since the hotel envisions leaving half the parcel as a green field, do you think there is some sort of phase 2? Any ideas for why the empty field would be left and what it would/could be used for?
I don't think there will be a Phase 2 of this hotel project. Maybe they are anticipating another development on that lot that they known but the public doesn't know. I could see another Hotel or a small office building on this corner just because of its proximity to the streetcar, Kauffman Center, Convention Center, the numerous new hotels built around the Kauffman Center in the last few years and the ever growing Crossroads district.

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Re: Hotel Bravo- 17th and Wyandotte

Post by Chris Stritzel » Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:14 pm

Midtownkid wrote:
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The building has enough setbacks to make it interesting. Hope to see more developed, color renderings sometime soon. I would love to see those facade materials be terracotta.
I don't think that this will include any terracotta. Based on the story, Kevin Collison says, "The exterior would be mostly glass with some precast concrete. So nothing special going on there but the multple set backs are interesting. Also, this sort of refined rendering shows the building in context to nearby structures. So basically, I expect a design that is unique while using common materials in new hotels today. The design is intriguing but materials are "meh". Personally, I think the design needs a little more refinement because this reminds me of a spruced up Drury Inn at the KCPS Building. I would want to see some up close and colored renderings like the ones shared by TheLastGentleman before I critique the design anymore.

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Re: Hotel Bravo- 17th and Wyandotte

Post by wahoowa » Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:18 pm

no! parking! wooooo!!

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Re: Hotel Bravo- 17th and Wyandotte

Post by normalthings » Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:19 pm

The colored renderings look like absolute trash.(like Dreary In). However, the white renderings on the architects website actually look really nice. The hotel looks like the convention hotel from the east, the Center from the south, and somethinf complete unique from the west.

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Re: Hotel Bravo- 17th and Wyandotte

Post by TheLastGentleman » Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:36 pm

normalthings wrote:
Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:19 pm
The colored renderings look like absolute trash.(like Dreary In). However, the white renderings on the architects website actually look really nice. The hotel looks like the convention hotel from the east, the Center from the south, and somethinf complete unique from the west.
The architect's drawings look a bit like something the early modern movement would've produced. I love the massing

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Re: Hotel Bravo- 17th and Wyandotte

Post by Chris Stritzel » Wed Sep 12, 2018 8:45 pm

normalthings wrote:
Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:19 pm
The colored renderings look like absolute trash.(like Dreary In). However, the white renderings on the architects website actually look really nice. The hotel looks like the convention hotel from the east, the Center from the south, and somethinf complete unique from the west.
I really hope the design isn't refined to be more "cost effective".

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Re: Hotel Bravo- 17th and Wyandotte

Post by missingkc » Wed Sep 12, 2018 8:56 pm

Not saying it is or is not worth it, but will this require the demolition of any buildings on Baltimore?

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Re: Hotel Bravo- 17th and Wyandotte

Post by beautyfromashes » Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:16 pm

missingkc wrote:
Wed Sep 12, 2018 8:56 pm
Not saying it is or is not worth it, but will this require the demolition of any buildings on Baltimore?
Empty lot.

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Re: Hotel Bravo- 17th and Wyandotte

Post by WoodDraw » Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:14 pm

Chris Stritzel wrote:
Wed Sep 12, 2018 8:45 pm
normalthings wrote:
Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:19 pm
The colored renderings look like absolute trash.(like Dreary In). However, the white renderings on the architects website actually look really nice. The hotel looks like the convention hotel from the east, the Center from the south, and somethinf complete unique from the west.
I really hope the design isn't refined to be more "cost effective".
I laughed

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Re: Hotel Bravo- 17th and Wyandotte

Post by WoodDraw » Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:23 pm

So, I think it looks good and they seem to all be pros.

I disagree with the debate about having bigger rooms. Most companies have rentals that put up anyone that will be there for extended amounts of time.

For typical business travelers, you want everything to be taken care of. Breakfast and coffee in the morning, concierge, and bar/food. You're expensing everything.

If your company can't afford these rates, you're staying at a Marriott courtyard somewhere already.

The ambassador seems to be doing well enough to expand, and this is what they do (including no parking. Everyone arrives by a driver or pays for valet.)

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Re: Hotel Bravo- 17th and Wyandotte

Post by GRID » Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:41 pm

Everybody keeps saying "no parking" this hotel is being built next to an underutilized garage. I'm sure it will use/share that garage. Valet could even use the PAC garage. If that garage was not there, this hotel would likely have it's own parking structure which would probably make the project financially unworkable without more aggressive incentives.

It's great to see development like this taking advantage of existing under utilized parking.

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Re: Hotel Bravo- 17th and Wyandotte

Post by grovester » Thu Sep 13, 2018 6:28 am

Also, the Amabassador did have parking and is getting a garage with the expansion.

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Re: Hotel Bravo- 17th and Wyandotte

Post by zonk » Thu Sep 13, 2018 7:16 am

^Ambassador's garage is basically the podium for the room tower above. Surprisingly there is only room for 8-9 cars in there. It's not that deep. Parking will still be to the east on surface.

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Re: Hotel Bravo- 17th and Wyandotte

Post by kcjak » Thu Sep 13, 2018 7:29 am

Any rumors about what my go on the empty lot between this hotel and Loews?

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Re: Hotel Bravo- 17th and Wyandotte

Post by KCPowercat » Thu Sep 13, 2018 8:32 am

Taco bell

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Re: Hotel Bravo- 17th and Wyandotte

Post by mykn » Thu Sep 13, 2018 8:59 am

KCPowercat wrote:
Thu Sep 13, 2018 8:32 am
Taco bell
w/ drive through

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Re: Hotel Bravo- 17th and Wyandotte

Post by smh » Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:49 am

Am I wrong to assume that Shirley is involved in this hotel somehow? She has the garage and the lot to the east, no?

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Re: Hotel Bravo- 17th and Wyandotte

Post by kboish » Thu Sep 13, 2018 10:09 am

GRID wrote:
Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:41 pm
Everybody keeps saying "no parking" this hotel is being built next to an underutilized garage. I'm sure it will use/share that garage. Valet could even use the PAC garage. If that garage was not there, this hotel would likely have it's own parking structure which would probably make the project financially unworkable without more aggressive incentives.

It's great to see development like this taking advantage of existing under utilized parking.
I'll just point out that i said, "no new parking will be constructed" 8)

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