1800 Walnut

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Re: 1800 Walnut

Post by FangKC » Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:26 pm

AlbertHammond wrote:
Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:17 am
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Vancouver has a lot of larger apartment buildings especially in the less commercial part of their downtown that have apartments or condos on the ground floor that open directly to the street (higher levels have their own entrance) Is there something in the US zoning code that prevents this? It usually requires a setback for privacy, but it is a pretty good pedestrian experience.
Great example. There is nothing that prohibits this in the U.S. (though K.C's archaic code may not allow it). Residential uses on the ground floor are a great way to activate the street. If people fear that no one would rent/buy those units, then they might be designated as "affordable" units.
Doesn't the Graphic Arts Building at 10th and Wyandotte have two apartments that have their own doors to the street? I remember the corner unit was an apartment after they did the residential conversion. Are they still apartments, or are they now the rental office?

https://tinyurl.com/y7h5zeyd

The Opera House Lofts at 10th and Broadway also have individual apartment entrances on the street.

https://tinyurl.com/y9t8h6v7

I believe that the Butler Brothers Lofts at 804-808 Broadway also have one apartment that has its' own entrance. Am I wrong about this?

https://tinyurl.com/y9vp2nrm

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Re: 1800 Walnut

Post by tower » Fri Sep 28, 2018 12:06 am

FangKC wrote:
Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:26 pm
AlbertHammond wrote:
Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:17 am
tower wrote:
Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:11 am
Vancouver has a lot of larger apartment buildings especially in the less commercial part of their downtown that have apartments or condos on the ground floor that open directly to the street (higher levels have their own entrance) Is there something in the US zoning code that prevents this? It usually requires a setback for privacy, but it is a pretty good pedestrian experience.
Great example. There is nothing that prohibits this in the U.S. (though K.C's archaic code may not allow it). Residential uses on the ground floor are a great way to activate the street. If people fear that no one would rent/buy those units, then they might be designated as "affordable" units.
Doesn't the Graphic Arts Building at 10th and Wyandotte have two apartments that have their own doors to the street? I remember the corner unit was an apartment after they did the residential conversion. Are they still apartments, or are they now the rental office?

https://tinyurl.com/y7h5zeyd

The Opera House Lofts at 10th and Broadway also have individual apartment entrances on the street.

https://tinyurl.com/y9t8h6v7

I believe that the Butler Brothers Lofts at 804-808 Broadway also have one apartment that has its' own entrance. Am I wrong about this?

https://tinyurl.com/y9vp2nrm
Good to know that it seems to be viable in the KC market.

It would be nice if buildings were built with that kind of flexibility today, but today's retail spaces are more specially designed for retail. Also, even if a develper couldn't find a tenant for the retail space, they wouldn't convert it to ground level residential because a building is worth more with a retail storefront, even if there is no rent being collected. That is another potential problem- too much ground level retail space.

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Re: 1800 Walnut

Post by cityscape » Fri Sep 28, 2018 10:18 am

Put some amenities on the ground level, like the gym, or lounge. While it isn't going to pull in people off the street it definitely is more engaging than just a wall

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Re: 1800 Walnut

Post by flyingember » Fri Sep 28, 2018 10:47 am

tower wrote:
Fri Sep 28, 2018 12:06 am
It would be nice if buildings were built with that kind of flexibility today, but today's retail spaces are more specially designed for retail. Also, even if a develper couldn't find a tenant for the retail space, they wouldn't convert it to ground level residential because a building is worth more with a retail storefront, even if there is no rent being collected. That is another potential problem- too much ground level retail space.
Every block having one retail space per side of each block is potentially thousands of retail spaces downtown. The market wouldn't build that much long-term so the idea of space that could serve as either is logical.

Retail doesn't need much depth and most developers put in parking so put flex space hiding the garage that has a front and back door.

Plumbing becomes the hard thing to change but could easily design this floor over an underground garage or a crawl space to give access for this work.

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Re: 1800 Walnut

Post by DaveKCMO » Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:12 am

CPC docket for 10/16:
4 JH 5. Case No. CD-CPC-2018-00153 – 1800 Walnut – A request to approve a 132-unit residential building with 2135 square feet of ground-level retail space in district DX-15 on about 0.24 acres generally located at southwest corner of 18th Street and Walnut Street.
Applicant: Kristine Sutherlin, Burns & McDonnell

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Re: 1800 Walnut

Post by hartliss » Mon Oct 15, 2018 10:34 am

DaveKCMO wrote:
Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:12 am
CPC docket for 10/16:
4 JH 5. Case No. CD-CPC-2018-00153 – 1800 Walnut – A request to approve a 132-unit residential building with 2135 square feet of ground-level retail space in district DX-15 on about 0.24 acres generally located at southwest corner of 18th Street and Walnut Street.
Applicant: Kristine Sutherlin, Burns & McDonnell
I can't ever find the CPC docket on data.kcmo anymore. Where did you find it?

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Re: 1800 Walnut

Post by KCPowercat » Mon Oct 15, 2018 10:45 am

It's on Google drive now. Have to follow link in planning department page. Annoying.

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Re: 1800 Walnut

Post by DaveKCMO » Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:53 pm

Some noisy Crossroads people -- not the association! -- are planning to testify in opposition at CPC tomorrow. Please show up if you can!

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Re: 1800 Walnut

Post by DaveKCMO » Thu Oct 18, 2018 10:19 pm

DaveKCMO wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:53 pm
Some noisy Crossroads people -- not the association! -- are planning to testify in opposition at CPC tomorrow. Please show up if you can!
Approved. Construction starts in November.

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Re: 1800 Walnut

Post by smh » Fri Oct 26, 2018 11:56 am

DaveKCMO wrote:
Thu Oct 18, 2018 10:19 pm
DaveKCMO wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:53 pm
Some noisy Crossroads people -- not the association! -- are planning to testify in opposition at CPC tomorrow. Please show up if you can!
Approved. Construction starts in November.
Were any negotiations or changes had regarding the Walnut facade?

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Re: 1800 Walnut

Post by DaveKCMO » Sat Oct 27, 2018 11:41 am

smh wrote:
Fri Oct 26, 2018 11:56 am
DaveKCMO wrote:
Thu Oct 18, 2018 10:19 pm
DaveKCMO wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:53 pm
Some noisy Crossroads people -- not the association! -- are planning to testify in opposition at CPC tomorrow. Please show up if you can!
Approved. Construction starts in November.
Were any negotiations or changes had regarding the Walnut facade?
I'm told two parking spaces were sacrificed to address the issue. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Re: 1800 Walnut

Post by smh » Sat Oct 27, 2018 3:38 pm

DaveKCMO wrote:
Sat Oct 27, 2018 11:41 am
smh wrote:
Fri Oct 26, 2018 11:56 am
DaveKCMO wrote:
Thu Oct 18, 2018 10:19 pm


Approved. Construction starts in November.
Were any negotiations or changes had regarding the Walnut facade?
I'm told two parking spaces were sacrificed to address the issue. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Well I'll be damned. Glad to hear it!

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Re: 1800 Walnut

Post by KCPowercat » Sat Oct 27, 2018 5:31 pm

Hopefully there will be a plaque in their memory

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Re: 1800 Walnut

Post by GRID » Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:04 pm

This is a really nice project. So glad to see a modern highrise go up south of 670. I find it a bit odd that this project basically came out of nowhere and will start construction in November while Three light (which gets a free parking garage plus other incentives) keeps getting pushed back.

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Re: 1800 Walnut

Post by snigglefritz » Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:33 pm

I think there's probably something to be said about the complexity of incentives on the 1800 Walnut vs. the Cordish developments. Also, that there doesn't appear to be any overarching master development agreement (other than for the site itself) or other city/political entanglements that need to be dealt with.

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Re: 1800 Walnut

Post by FangKC » Wed Oct 31, 2018 2:19 am

This new residential tower at 1800 Walnut creates hope that might someday fill an obsession of mine. I want a new apartment building here.

http://kcrag.com/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=1 ... 57#p585057

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Re: 1800 Walnut

Post by DaveKCMO » Wed Oct 31, 2018 12:10 pm

Kissick trucks on site today. My guess is they will start the moment the Council approval is final.

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