Missing hotel flags in Downtown

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Missing hotel flags in Downtown

Post by GRID » Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:58 am

KC is finally making some progress with bringing some new hotel flags to downtown KC, but I can't help but notice that downtown KC still lacks some pretty major hotel brands. I pulled this list from the KC Business Journal of what's there now including what's under construction. (I may have missed some)

What additional flags do you think downtown KC could get in the near future?

Here is the list:

Existing Downtown
Marriott 983
Loews 800
Sheraton 749
Westin 749
Crown Plaza 385
Hotel Phillips 217
Hilton President 213
21C Museum 120
Hampton Inn 74
Fairfield Inn 115
Marriott Courtyard 153
Residence Inn 108
Holiday Inn Aladdin 193
Ambassador 113
Holiday Inn Express 74
Hotel Indigo 118
Hotel Indigo 80
Comfort Inn 111
Aparium Hotel 125
Home2 Suites 115

Some brands missing from Downtown:
Hyatt Regency
Park Hyatt
Grand Hyatt
Hyatt Place
Hyatt House
Four Points
Aloft
Omni
Embassy Suites
Doubletree
Hilton Garden Inn
Hyatt
W
Ritz Carlton
JW Marriott
AC Hotels
Marriott Renaissance

Other urban core hotels:

Plaza/Westport
InterContinental 371
Marriot 295
Embassy Suites 266
Sheraton 257
Holiday Inn 241
Hampton Inn 203
The Fontaine 132
Marriott Courtyard 123
Raphael 126
AC Hotel 123
Residence Inn 106
Holiday Inn Express 86
816 Hotel 107
Best Western 80
Southmoreland 13
Home2Suites 89
Extended Stay America 100

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Hilton Garden Inn 147

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Re: Missing hotel flags in Downtown

Post by KCPowercat » Wed Feb 28, 2018 10:13 am

I'd expect a full service Hyatt soon (nothing imminent that I have heard of) but it will only be one of those Hyatt flags. Not many cities our size possess all of those Hyatt flags downtown.

Omni is pretty niche but growing in Midwest (only 1 in Chicago for example) but I'd guess we won't see one ever.

W is the strong contender for the p&l development.

Ritz is not happening. I wouldn't expect many Ritz adding anywhere.

JW / Renaissance...basically same brand. I don't see one coming unless Marriott downtown does something huge with a renovation or converts the 2nd tower to a new flag.

Those other limited service ones....meh flip flop any Hampton or Home2 into those...same thing except if you really like a specific one for your hotel loyalty program.

We've got quite an influx of hotel rooms coming in right now...be interesting to see how the market handles them.

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Re: Missing hotel flags in Downtown

Post by GRID » Wed Feb 28, 2018 10:19 am

yea, I realize KC wouldn't get all brands of each flag.

I'm thinking KC could probably get a Hyatt (probably Hyatt Place or Hyatt House), A W in P&L and an Aloft in the Crossroads.

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Post by KCPowercat » Wed Feb 28, 2018 10:24 am

I'm sure Hyatt rewards members would appreciate something but unless its something full service not too excited about those.

Aloft would be great for crossroads....

There was supposed to be a bigger hotel in the Delaware landing project....that could fill some of these gaps.

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Re: Missing hotel flags in Downtown

Post by dnweava » Wed Feb 28, 2018 10:29 am

I thought this thread was going to be about country flags...

Go to most cities in the world and their downtown/city center/tourist area hotels will fly several country flags to show their hotel welcomes guests from those countries, have staff that speak that languages.

KC just isn't enough of a tourist destination I guess, but woukd be cool to see a German, French, UK, Japan, etc group of flags above the entrance to some if our big downtown hotels.

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Re: Missing hotel flags in Downtown

Post by GRID » Wed Feb 28, 2018 10:33 am

KCPowercat wrote:I'm sure Hyatt rewards members would appreciate something but unless its something full service not too excited about those.

Aloft would be great for crossroads....

There was supposed to be a bigger hotel in the Delaware landing project....that could fill some of these gaps.
I was thinking of a full service Hyatt Place or something. It would probably have to be part of a residential project. I have stayed at the one in Charlotte a couple of times and it's quite nice. The rooftop is awesome. It's a shared tower with residential. Something like that could even work in the crown center area. But yea, a basic Hyatt Place like what are typically in suburbs is nothing exciting.

Charlotte Hyatt Place

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Re: Missing hotel flags in Downtown

Post by normalthings » Wed Feb 28, 2018 10:38 am

GRID wrote:yea, I realize KC wouldn't get all brands of each flag.

I'm thinking KC could probably get a Hyatt (probably Hyatt Place or Hyatt House), A W in P&L and an Aloft in the Crossroads.
A Hyatt and W at 4 and 6 Light would be cool

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Re: Missing hotel flags in Downtown

Post by KCPowercat » Wed Feb 28, 2018 10:41 am

Hyatt place is limited service but I'd for sure take that Charlotte one.

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Re: Missing hotel flags in Downtown

Post by GRID » Wed Feb 28, 2018 10:41 am

KCPowercat wrote:I'm sure Hyatt rewards members would appreciate something but unless its something full service not too excited about those.

Aloft would be great for crossroads....

There was supposed to be a bigger hotel in the Delaware landing project....that could fill some of these gaps.
There is a relatively new ALoft in Cleveland near the Flats District that resembles the vibe of the Crossroads. Seems like a perfect fit.

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Re: Missing hotel flags in Downtown

Post by mean » Wed Feb 28, 2018 10:55 am

As far as I know, all Hyatt Place locations are limited service and franchise-only. Sort of an upscale Holiday Inn Express, really.

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Re: Missing hotel flags in Downtown

Post by LCDSI » Wed Feb 28, 2018 11:02 am

Also missing on the list are a few of the luxury brands. Which I think will take KC awhile to be able to support.

-Four Seasons
-St. Regis
-Mandarin Oriental
-Peninsula

To name a few.

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Re: Missing hotel flags in Downtown

Post by hartliss » Wed Feb 28, 2018 12:07 pm

I suspect Hyatt will re-enter at some point. If you recall, they tried on the Plaza but it was shut down due to incentive requests.

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Re: Missing hotel flags in Downtown

Post by brewcrew1000 » Wed Feb 28, 2018 2:15 pm

A Kimpton would be a great addition for the Crossroads, they are all boutique style hotels and I am pretty sure all of them are dog friendly and dogs are free of charge

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Re: Missing hotel flags in Downtown

Post by hartliss » Wed Feb 28, 2018 3:11 pm

brewcrew1000 wrote:A Kimpton would be a great addition for the Crossroads, they are all boutique style hotels and I am pretty sure all of them are dog friendly and dogs are free of charge
Hell yes, love kimpton.

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Re: Missing hotel flags in Downtown

Post by FangKC » Thu Mar 01, 2018 7:39 am

Kansas City is dominated by Marriott brands it seems. Marriott has so many brands it's hard for me to distinguish the difference between many of them. I think they might have reached a branding problem like General Motors used to have with Cadillac, Buick, Pontiac, Oldsmobile, Chevrolet, Saturn, Geo, GMC, Hummer, Opel, Vauxhall, Holden, Saab, Wuling, GM Daewoo, and Suzuki. So many brands that the public can't distinguish between them.

Also missing downtown are the Wyndham brands which also include Ramada, Days Inn, Microtel, TravelLodge, Howard Johnson, etc.; and a Intercontinental; Radisson, Sofitel brands, etc.

I think the next brand to come back will be a Hyatt brand, which will either be Six Light, or built on the parcel west of the P&L Building, or across the street on the parcel next to the interstate trench at 14th and Baltimore.

I don't think we aren't going to get the high-end brands downtown like Peninsula, Waldorf Astoria, Ritz-Carlton, Four Seasons, St. Regis, Mandarin. Kansas City is not a town that attracts a lot of big spenders.

I think downtown can only handle one or two more large new hotels before it's tapped out. For more to be built, there would have to be more significant residential and retail infill; and several large employers coming downtown. You need a more dynamic downtown environment than what exists now.

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Re: Missing hotel flags in Downtown

Post by flyingember » Thu Mar 01, 2018 9:24 am

What's likely to come is hotels that can fit behind something else in more out of the way places and will be mid tier names. I can picture one on the riverfront back at the end of the road to have good downtown access but not pay the highest price to be in the core of downtown

In the image on this article the building closest in view could be a Days Inn
http://www.kansascity.com/news/business ... 06529.html

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Re: Missing hotel flags in Downtown

Post by FangKC » Thu Mar 01, 2018 5:25 pm

I have a feeling that is why there is talk about extending the streetcar to Isle of Capri casino. It would make it easier to build a hotel that could serve both casino visitors and conventioneers and tourists. I think the City owns that parking lot across from Isle of Capri.

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Re: Missing hotel flags in Downtown

Post by KCPowercat » Thu Mar 01, 2018 5:44 pm

Yup they do.

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Re: Missing hotel flags in Downtown

Post by earthling » Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:33 am

FangKC wrote:I have a feeling that is why there is talk about extending the streetcar to Isle of Capri casino. It would make it easier to build a hotel that could serve both casino visitors and conventioneers and tourists. I think the City owns that parking lot across from Isle of Capri.
When riverfront streetcar extension is a go, the City could develop that lot into a mega garage and lease out to downtown workers/residents. It will keep that many cars out of downtown yet easy access to Paseo Bridge and may attract companies to move downtown along streetcar that would otherwise struggle to find enough parking. Until we have metro wide transit many will use, large garages at the outskirts of downtown would serve a good purpose including keeping cars outside downtown, making it easier to develop downtown lots tied to parking and potentially attracting more companies. (Discussion belongs in streetcar riverfront thread I suppose.)

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