Amazon searching for second HQ

Issues concerning Downtown as described by the Downtown Council. River to 31st Street, I-35 to Bruce R. Watkins.
User avatar
normalthings
Alameda Tower
Alameda Tower
Posts: 1161
Joined: Mon Mar 30, 2015 9:52 pm

Re: Amazon searching for second HQ

Post by normalthings » Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:41 am

One was the riverfront park, rest were suburban types including Olathe. We didn't try sell them the best we have to offer (Northloop, I 70, CX East etc). IMHO it was a total waste of everyone's time, effort, and money to put together a bid that included these sucky sites.

tower
Strip mall
Strip mall
Posts: 248
Joined: Tue Sep 05, 2017 8:45 am
Location: Midtown

Re: Amazon searching for second HQ

Post by tower » Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:58 am

I don't think it is fair to put it all on the site. Nashville, Columbus, Pittsburgh, Raleigh do all have top 60 universities located in the city. Indianapolis has some top universities in the rest of the state, and close to Illinois', which has a some great universities.

But yeah, our sites were shit.

mister816
Western Auto Lofts
Western Auto Lofts
Posts: 656
Joined: Fri Apr 08, 2005 8:18 am
Location: Downtown

Re: Amazon searching for second HQ

Post by mister816 » Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:07 pm

We deserved to lose it. maybe this will help us understand that the rest of the world doesn't want to live like we do. We think that we have everything figured out and the rest of the world does it wrong i.e. Truman sports complex, corporate wood and the Cerner complex. Maybe some day, long after we're all dead and gone, we'll learn how to city.

brewcrew1000
Penntower
Penntower
Posts: 2290
Joined: Fri Feb 11, 2011 10:10 am
Location: Broadway/Gilham according to google maps

Re: Amazon searching for second HQ

Post by brewcrew1000 » Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:27 pm

mister816 wrote:We deserved to lose it. maybe this will help us understand that the rest of the world doesn't want to live like we do. We think that we have everything figured out and the rest of the world does it wrong i.e. Truman sports complex, corporate wood and the Cerner complex. Maybe some day, long after we're all dead and gone, we'll learn how to city.
=D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>

brewcrew1000
Penntower
Penntower
Posts: 2290
Joined: Fri Feb 11, 2011 10:10 am
Location: Broadway/Gilham according to google maps

Re: Amazon searching for second HQ

Post by brewcrew1000 » Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:32 pm

At least we make it the article for one of the gimmicky pitches
https://www.yahoo.com/news/amazon-picks ... 00457.html

I honestly think its down to 1 of the 3 DC area spots, Atlanta and Boston

horizons82
Strip mall
Strip mall
Posts: 151
Joined: Thu Mar 17, 2016 8:41 am

Re: Amazon searching for second HQ

Post by horizons82 » Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:42 pm

The sites didn't help, but with something like this, I think the sites are negotiable. If Amazon said they liked everything but the sites, there's 10 new proposed sites immediately.

It's the fundamentals that matter:
- UMKC is a nice but not top-rated college. Even KU & MU are meh when judged nationwide.
- Transit is still a joke if you don't live within the core. JoCo transit doesn't even run in the evenings or weekends.
- KC's crime problem is getting worse while other, larger, cities are doing better. Etc,etc.

And all this is to say we still have no idea really what's being offered financially by the finalists. The reports are disturbing about allowing Amazon to dictate the game in some proposals. KC does need to release their full proposal now that it's over, though I'm not holding my breath.

User avatar
beautyfromashes
Bryant Building
Bryant Building
Posts: 4358
Joined: Mon Mar 21, 2005 11:04 am

Re: Amazon searching for second HQ

Post by beautyfromashes » Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:17 pm

I hear everyone talk about universities and don’t understand that knock on us as a candidate. We are the largest metro area to:
KState, KU, Nebraska, MU, MSU, ISU, etc. not count MS&T and other smaller universities.

User avatar
normalthings
Alameda Tower
Alameda Tower
Posts: 1161
Joined: Mon Mar 30, 2015 9:52 pm

Re: Amazon searching for second HQ

Post by normalthings » Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:19 pm

beautyfromashes wrote:I hear everyone talk about universities and don’t understand that knock on us as a candidate. We are the largest metro area to:
KState, KU, Nebraska, MU, MSU, ISU, etc. not count MS&T and other smaller universities.
KU and UMKC are the only schools close enough to partner with KC firms for school term internships and such. The other schools are many hours away.

User avatar
chrizow
Global Moderator
Global Moderator
Posts: 17001
Joined: Fri Aug 08, 2003 8:43 am

Re: Amazon searching for second HQ

Post by chrizow » Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:28 pm

1. while i'd rather see KC on the list, than not on the list, does anyone really think this is a legitimate search? the way amazon is run, i would bet anything they decided where HQ2 would be located well before the RFP request. The RFP request is clearly marketing and not a legitimate process. even if pressed, i doubt Amazon could explain to anyone why several cities are on the list and why several other cities are not on the list.

2. i think all signs point to HQ2 going to the DC area. 3 DC-area locations out of 20 on the list. also, Bezos has made several widely-publicized pivots towards washington - buying the Washington Post, buying a $30M home in DC (where he'll host politicos and influencers), and generally raising his profile politically. it's hard to square Bezos's manifest interest in DC with HQ2 later going to, say, Dallas, Miami, Denver, etc.

i'm guessing Amazon wanted to go to DC metro all along - so in this respect, the list may actually be legit insofar as putting MD, VA, and DC on the list may cause a bidding war to entice amazon into one or another corner of the metro that amazon long-ago decided was their choice.

tower
Strip mall
Strip mall
Posts: 248
Joined: Tue Sep 05, 2017 8:45 am
Location: Midtown

Re: Amazon searching for second HQ

Post by tower » Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:15 pm

beautyfromashes wrote:I hear everyone talk about universities and don’t understand that knock on us as a candidate. We are the largest metro area to:
KState, KU, Nebraska, MU, MSU, ISU, etc. not count MS&T and other smaller universities.
I'm not saying those are bad schools at all, I'm just saying that almost every city/area that made the list had at least one university that was much more highly ranked located within the city, with the exception of Denver and Indianapolis. In fact, having a University in the metro that ranks higher than 60 in the U.S. News and World reports rankings is probably the closest thing to a unifying factor that these cities have, even higher than rail transit. KU is 115. UMKC is 216.

Not that lower ranked schools give a worse education, I'm just saying that that is a metric that Amazon seems to have used.

flyingember
One Park Place
One Park Place
Posts: 6960
Joined: Tue Jul 17, 2012 7:54 am

Re: Amazon searching for second HQ

Post by flyingember » Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:04 pm

I bet you would find a strong computer science program at the majority of the schools in the towns picked.

User avatar
beautyfromashes
Bryant Building
Bryant Building
Posts: 4358
Joined: Mon Mar 21, 2005 11:04 am

Re: Amazon searching for second HQ

Post by beautyfromashes » Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:37 pm

ldai_phs wrote: KU and UMKC are the only schools close enough to partner with KC firms for school term internships and such. The other schools are many hours away.
I’m sure the discussion about universities is more about providing quality job candidates than internships. They could be the major destination business for 3-4 very large universities. I would think that better than trying to compete with many other Fortune 500 companies for candidates from one major university.

User avatar
normalthings
Alameda Tower
Alameda Tower
Posts: 1161
Joined: Mon Mar 30, 2015 9:52 pm

Re: Amazon searching for second HQ

Post by normalthings » Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:20 am

Internships are a very important part of the recruitment process.
Philadelphia's proposal included a site literally across the street from 2 Universities both with around 20K students(Drexel and Penn). There is no way you can compare a number of meh state universities within a day's drive to 2 medium sized good universities across the street.
I think we are lying to ourselves if we try to say Nebraska, ISU, MU, K-State, etc provide the caliber and quantity of candidates that the schools of winning cities do.
Kansas City needs to develop a top 60 University within the city. STl has Wash U. Nashville has Vanderbilt. Chicago has UChicago. KC needs its own competitive school. The easiest and most efficient way would likely be to take UMKC and convert it into some type of private university.

User avatar
beautyfromashes
Bryant Building
Bryant Building
Posts: 4358
Joined: Mon Mar 21, 2005 11:04 am

Re: Amazon searching for second HQ

Post by beautyfromashes » Fri Jan 19, 2018 8:24 am

^ Totally agree. Would be better to have a solid university within the city. I just don’t think it was near the handicap that people are portraying. There were many other reasons we lost more than that piece, IMO.

kcjak
Valencia Place
Valencia Place
Posts: 1943
Joined: Thu Nov 29, 2007 3:02 pm

Re: Amazon searching for second HQ

Post by kcjak » Fri Jan 19, 2018 9:23 am

It's clear that robust rail transportation was valued less than education - Indy, Pittsburgh, Raleigh, Columbus and Austin all reflect that.

earthling
Oak Tower
Oak Tower
Posts: 4643
Joined: Sun Sep 11, 2011 2:27 pm

Re: Amazon searching for second HQ

Post by earthling » Fri Jan 19, 2018 9:29 am

Agree and has been discussed often. Lack of a strong university within metro was possibly a factor as AMZ mentioned access to a major university as a preference. KU is not a bad school but not considered part of metro and not on many top 100 lists. Lack of high profile university in region (outside animal health) is likely to be a long term challenge for KC to step into the next tier (airport was too but now resolved). Other cities like Nashville are revving up to pass up KC, Columbus could too and maybe Indy. UMKC needs to find a way to step up their game with research. KC has been grabbing a lot of attention with Smart City initiatives but the university systems are not fully embracing it to the degree they should. And UMKC has not capitalized on Stowers Institute as much as expected even though they still team up.

Now that an airport solution is in progress and transit is in an improving direction, building up UMKC's clout should perhaps be a top 3 priority (along with city schools and crime). And would help if KU could sync up more with KC metro's industry opportunities outside med center.

User avatar
beautyfromashes
Bryant Building
Bryant Building
Posts: 4358
Joined: Mon Mar 21, 2005 11:04 am

Re: Amazon searching for second HQ

Post by beautyfromashes » Fri Jan 19, 2018 9:55 am

If we want a university in the city with a strong technology UMKC should push for a better partnership with Missouri Science & Technology. It’s a great university with a good national reputation but is in a very tiny town. Would be mutually beneficial to both universities.

User avatar
normalthings
Alameda Tower
Alameda Tower
Posts: 1161
Joined: Mon Mar 30, 2015 9:52 pm

Re: Amazon searching for second HQ

Post by normalthings » Fri Jan 19, 2018 10:06 am

M S&T can't reach its full potential in its current location. IMHO it needs to be either moved to KC/STL.
Last edited by normalthings on Fri Jan 19, 2018 10:31 am, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
beautyfromashes
Bryant Building
Bryant Building
Posts: 4358
Joined: Mon Mar 21, 2005 11:04 am

Re: Amazon searching for second HQ

Post by beautyfromashes » Fri Jan 19, 2018 10:27 am

ldai_phs wrote:M S&T can't reach its fullpotential in its current location
Yes, and I’ve heard they are having difficulty recruiting students due to not being in a major city.

User avatar
normalthings
Alameda Tower
Alameda Tower
Posts: 1161
Joined: Mon Mar 30, 2015 9:52 pm

Re: Amazon searching for second HQ

Post by normalthings » Fri Jan 19, 2018 10:32 am

beautyfromashes wrote:
ldai_phs wrote:M S&T can't reach its fullpotential in its current location
Yes, and I’ve heard they are having difficulty recruiting students due to not being in a major city.
Even the rural and small-town Ivy League schools are having this problem

Post Reply