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Re: Amazon searching for second HQ

Postby earthling » Mon Sep 11, 2017 1:33 pm

AMZ didn't mention if building an AWS data center but if so KC needs to pitch that the metro does have local offices from most of the IT companies.. Microsoft, Cisco, EMC, etc. And don't know if they use consulting firms but Deloitte, PriceWaters, etc too. Most mid-sized markets do too but should probably be pointed out. And yeah, the caves are a great location for a data center given naturally cool all year round and protected from weather, which Hunt Midwest touts.

While not likely for KC to get this, getting on a short or even long list would make it worth the effort. And if AMZ specifically says KC not picked because of airport or transit, it would help build the case to improve those.

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Re: Amazon searching for second HQ

Postby NorthOak » Mon Sep 11, 2017 1:35 pm

* Central Location

* Low Cost of Living

* Midwest Workforce

* Most Amenities - 2 million Peer Metros

* Being able to change the entire direction of a city's urban landscape while improving the company's negative "trendy" and "elite attitude" images

* Underground Data Centers for safety and low energy cost

* 2 Large Land Parcels Downtown ready for immediate Development

What else?
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Re: Amazon searching for second HQ

Postby earthling » Mon Sep 11, 2017 1:51 pm

NY Times cuts KC and STL before first round...
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/201 ... rs-be.html

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Re: Amazon searching for second HQ

Postby pash » Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:17 pm

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Re: Amazon searching for second HQ

Postby tower » Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:20 pm

earthling wrote:NY Times cuts KC and STL before first round...
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/201 ... rs-be.html



They immediately culled the bottom 50% of the top 50 metros based on job growth, without sorting for anything else first, like an international airport. This was probably done because they would've ended up with a tie, or something predicable - like Chicago - if they did it in a different way.

A better method would have only cut those that had negative growth. Still, I kind of agree with their ultimate conclusion.
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Re: Amazon searching for second HQ

Postby earthling » Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:23 pm

pash wrote:I don't think I've seen a single one of those articles that has so much as mentioned cost of employment. If Amazon doesn't really care much about saving a billion dollars a year versus more expensive metros, then KC isn't going to have much of a chance. But if Amazon does put serious weight on the cost of salaries and office space for tens of thousands of new employees, then together with the rest of what KC has to offer, the substantial permanent surplus they'd gain by setting up shop here rather a place like Los Angeles or even Denver might actually tempt Amazon to take a serious look.


True but Dallas and Atlanta aren't particularly expensive cities considering Tier 1 major market amenities, such as global airports and decent transit. Philly is relatively cheaper than other E Coast cities. If AMZ wants to be part of the resurrection of cities and maybe have a bigger say/influence in how resurrected, KC and STL could end up on radar. But seems like a long shot depending on how they weigh selection criteria. It helps that KC is considered a top 5 logistics center. Logistics experience available might be more important than tech talent but they didn't specify that. Would hope KC bid also emphasizes that given the retail/warehousing side of AMZ is essentially a logistics company. And they may as well buy out KC Southern rail.

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Re: Amazon searching for second HQ

Postby earthling » Mon Sep 11, 2017 4:22 pm

I've sent a link of this thread to ThinkKC. Hopefully they will watch for ideas and challenges they can address.

Continue to post ideas here.

Or you can send ideas directly to them...
http://thinkkc.com/business/amazon-hq2-kc

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Re: Amazon searching for second HQ

Postby pash » Mon Sep 11, 2017 4:39 pm

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Re: Amazon searching for second HQ

Postby herrfrank » Tue Sep 12, 2017 9:41 am

I'm fairly certain that Amazon HQ2 is Atlanta's to lose. They have a huge site (the old Fort McPherson, partly owned by entertainer Tyler Perry) ready for build out. Fort McPherson abuts two, already-functioning, high-capacity mass transit stops, 15 minutes direct-to-terminal to the world's largest airport and 20 minutes to Midtown and Buckhead shops and amenities. Three interstates (I-20, I-75, I-85) in the vicinity. A revitalized urban neighborhood (West End) and traditional suburbs (Sylvan Hills) are within walking distance.

I can make arguments for a number of other cities but they involve expensive and complex infrastructure changes (Hartford capping I-84; Chicago retrofitting the I-290 Post Office); huge eminent domain grabs (NYC, DC, or Boston); or require significant transit upgrades (Denver, Dallas, KC) when the RFP specifically asks for already-built mass transit and a hub-like airport. Amazon also wants a counter-balance to Seattle -- both geographically and politically Atlanta would be complementary.

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Re: Amazon searching for second HQ

Postby JBmidtown » Tue Sep 12, 2017 10:08 am

Yeah Atlanta seems the best choice for them. My hope is the RFP from Kansas City attracts Amazon to opening a more significant logistics presence in KC beyond warehouses in the metro. We may yet land a regional office and that in itself could help draw other firms to consider KC's central location and growing tech prowess.

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Re: Amazon searching for second HQ

Postby earthling » Tue Sep 12, 2017 10:20 am

Good points. Also agree likely Atlanta (or Dallas). If bus is acceptable as tactical transit in short term, Dallas could be a player if coming up with a solid rail plan. And if bus is tactically acceptable, KC could make at least a long list especially if they make the bus system free as Dave has mentioned as a possibility. The bus service on MO side is actually pretty good. But of course the airport and lack of enough international flights likely to keep KC out of first round unless they are intrigued by downtown airport being so close for private jets.

Some things for KC to promote in bid to get into first round, summarizing various posts...
- Downtown airport, new terminal planning at KCI
- Several large lots available downtown (maybe more than any other downtown being considered)
- Free streetcar, upcoming expansion and will pursue free metro bus service if selected
- KC metro a top 5 logistics center (need to differentiate from Atlanta and Dallas also in top 5)
- Growing employment and tech base, 3200+ tech companies in KC
- Fiber available to homes in more than half of metro
- Metro above average with highly educated

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Re: Amazon searching for second HQ

Postby shinatoo » Tue Sep 12, 2017 10:32 am

One long building over the I-70 valley in the shape of the Amazon smile logo. Plenty of room for the arrowhead if we take out the 9 highway ramps.

Think of something like the Apple Spaceship building.

Parking underneath, streets could still go through.
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Re: Amazon searching for second HQ

Postby beautyfromashes » Tue Sep 12, 2017 10:55 am

Does Google have a second HQ? With GF starting here, we might be in a good place if they consider adding a location.

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Re: Amazon searching for second HQ

Postby kboish » Tue Sep 12, 2017 12:04 pm

I don't think Google has a second HQ, but they have a pretty big presence in Austin

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Re: Amazon searching for second HQ

Postby earthling » Tue Sep 12, 2017 12:07 pm

Google's Chicago offices are often considered a secondary HQ.

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Re: Amazon searching for second HQ

Postby DaveKCMO » Tue Sep 12, 2017 2:14 pm

earthling wrote:Google's Chicago offices are often considered a secondary HQ.


the one in the west loop? it's a pretty large building.

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Re: Amazon searching for second HQ

Postby pash » Tue Sep 12, 2017 2:29 pm

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Re: Amazon searching for second HQ

Postby moderne » Tue Sep 12, 2017 2:39 pm

Playing up the caves as a secure location for a data center would be smart. The caves are the one place that would offer protection from electromagnetic storms whether from a hydrogen bomb burst in the atmosphere or a solar storm. The 1859 Carrington event bought down the early telegraph, the only tech existing then. A similar sun event (it will happen) would bring the world to its knees.

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Re: Amazon searching for second HQ

Postby pash » Tue Sep 12, 2017 2:39 pm

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Re: Amazon searching for second HQ

Postby shinatoo » Tue Sep 12, 2017 3:03 pm

Proximity to data centers has absolutely no bearing on locating a HQ. If the caves make sense for Amazon they will locate data centers there. They have hundreds of data centers all over the world with all kinds of redundancy.
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