Amazon searching for second HQ

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Re: Amazon searching for second HQ

Postby WoodDraw » Sat Sep 16, 2017 12:46 pm

People are asking too much what Amazon can do to make my downtown what I want it to be and less what they're actually looking for (me included).

I just think it's an interesting trip through city planning and good for the future.

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Re: Amazon searching for second HQ

Postby dnweava » Sat Sep 16, 2017 12:54 pm

beautyfromashes wrote:^ Because there are little over a million 22nd and Paseo's in this country. It also doesn't really have any of the amenities that they are looking for. Sure, you could add nightlife with a baseball stadium and build the transit that they requested and build housing for employees...but, they could do that anywhere. There's no logic for the company to go there. There's probably no logic in the choosing KC. But, if they do, they would choose the best of what we have to offer instead of the worst.


Amazon probably isn't coming, but this is suppose to be a pro-KC forum and I think 22nd/Paseo is an excellent greater downtown location that can be used as a bargaining chip. And most major cities don't have large downtown land available. Sure STL or Detroit does, but your Denver and Boston's that are the front runners don't have a 22nd/Paseo type location available and within walking distance of the CBD.

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Re: Amazon searching for second HQ

Postby Riverite » Sat Sep 16, 2017 1:02 pm

I think something that we could maybe utilize to our benefit is drafting a mission statement as a city that emphasizes our commitment to developing a city of the future. Let them know that we are committed irregardless of whether they come or not to making ourselves into a city that embraces future technology. Let them know that we will actively pursue any new technology and are open to trying new things. We open ourselves as a place for them to try out their new tech in a open manner. Let's focus on getting the second headquarters, even if we don't get it we can show them that we are a great city for a regional office. Other tech companies may take interest, it is often said that laws get in the way of testing new tech like autonomous vehicles I believe that even if we pursue these opportunities with our citizens in mind as well companies will take notice. I do believe that we as a city need to draft up a future timeline for ourselves, that emphasizes mutual benefit to the industries that may wish to move here and our citizentry

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Re: Amazon searching for second HQ

Postby flyingember » Sat Sep 16, 2017 4:12 pm

dnweava wrote:4) It smack dab between 2 brand new housing developments (marked in green circles)


One of your new housing plans is more than ten years old. The permits are from 2006.
It got stuck in the current unfinished state.

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Re: Amazon searching for second HQ

Postby beautyfromashes » Sat Sep 16, 2017 6:07 pm

dnweava wrote:
Amazon probably isn't coming, but this is suppose to be a pro-KC forum and I think 22nd/Paseo is an excellent greater downtown location that can be used as a bargaining chip. And most major cities don't have large downtown land available. Sure STL or Detroit does, but your Denver and Boston's that are the front runners don't have a 22nd/Paseo type location available and within walking distance of the CBD.

Every city in America, including those you mentioned, have a dead zone where there is less valuable homes and properties that they would bulldoze tomorrow if it meant Amazon would come to their town. Most cities would have a dozen. Heck, most cities would bulldoze churches and cemeteries and homeless shelters if it meant 50,000 high paying jobs. Amazon will take the very best land in whatever city they choose. It's time to get get realistic if we have a shot at this. Offering 22nd and Paseo would get the same response when your little brother offers you Mediterranean Avenue for Boardway straight up.

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Re: Amazon searching for second HQ

Postby dnweava » Mon Sep 18, 2017 9:09 am

flyingember wrote:
dnweava wrote:4) It smack dab between 2 brand new housing developments (marked in green circles)


One of your new housing plans is more than ten years old. The permits are from 2006.
It got stuck in the current unfinished state.


They are still building new houses in it this year...

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Re: Amazon searching for second HQ

Postby chaglang » Thu Sep 21, 2017 8:07 am

dnweava wrote:My midtown Amazon campus idea. Light Blue = Lots for Amazon. Green = new Parks. Red= 31st street light rail (grade separated through this section with 2 stops shown.

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Highlights:
-clear cut all the homes and businesses between Linwood and 31st
-displace thousands of mostly African-American residents
-build a light rail to shuttle Amazon workers in and out of the area

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Re: Amazon searching for second HQ

Postby beautyfromashes » Thu Sep 21, 2017 9:26 am

There's a lot of green on the map just south of Union Station. Tear down that old tower and give them all that space.

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Re: Amazon searching for second HQ

Postby TheLastGentleman » Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:04 pm

What tower are you talking about?

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Re: Amazon searching for second HQ

Postby flyingember » Thu Sep 21, 2017 3:46 pm

TheLastGentleman wrote:What tower are you talking about?

Liberty Memorial. The tower just south of Union Station

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Re: Amazon searching for second HQ

Postby beautyfromashes » Thu Sep 21, 2017 5:20 pm

It was a joke. Since you're new, TheLastGentlemen, you might not have picked that up from me. People on this board always search Google maps looking for green space to build something glorious. They just don't always realize what the green space is. Welcome to the board!

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Re: Amazon searching for second HQ

Postby aknowledgeableperson » Fri Sep 22, 2017 1:00 am

Lees' Summit, Grandview, Raymore, and Belton are loaded with greenspace to house this complex. And with easy highway access. Even KCMO along 150 west of I49 has plenty. If you want to make it closer the old federal complex at Bannister and Troost is a choice.

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Re: Amazon searching for second HQ

Postby ldai_phs » Fri Sep 22, 2017 1:29 am

I’m pretty sure any proposal that doesn’t have a downtown location is a complete waste of our time and money.

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Re: Amazon searching for second HQ

Postby chaglang » Fri Sep 22, 2017 6:05 am

ldai_phs wrote:I’m pretty sure any proposal that doesn’t have a downtown location is a complete waste of our time and money.

Definitely. Kansas City’s aging first ring suburbs are probably not high on Amazon’s list. But it would be pretty interesting to see Grandview’s HQ2 proposal.

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Re: Amazon searching for second HQ

Postby flyingember » Fri Sep 22, 2017 8:06 am

ldai_phs wrote:I’m pretty sure any proposal that doesn’t have a downtown location is a complete waste of our time and money.

I would say that within 5 miles of downtown. That puts you within the pre 1950s employment centers.

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Re: Amazon searching for second HQ

Postby aknowledgeableperson » Fri Sep 22, 2017 8:25 am

ldai_phs wrote:I’m pretty sure any proposal that doesn’t have a downtown location is a complete waste of our time and money.


Go to the RFP. Site requirements:
Proximity to population center - 30 miles

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Re: Amazon searching for second HQ

Postby ldai_phs » Fri Sep 22, 2017 8:36 am

aknowledgeableperson wrote:
ldai_phs wrote:I’m pretty sure any proposal that doesn’t have a downtown location is a complete waste of our time and money.


Go to the RFP. Site requirements:
Proximity to population center - 30 miles
Just because they say that doesn't mean a site like that will work. Especially when 30 Miles from Downtown hear can mean an empty cornfield, vs. a bigger city where 30 Miles is still urban. In general, any city can offer a green field, or a suburban site, or a site in a lower income area. Kansas City winning at all is a stretch, so we need to put our best bid(a downtown one) on the table. Kansas City's only real pro is that we have a number of Urban amenities for the fraction of a big city price.
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Re: Amazon searching for second HQ

Postby ldai_phs » Fri Sep 22, 2017 8:39 am

flyingember wrote:
ldai_phs wrote:I’m pretty sure any proposal that doesn’t have a downtown location is a complete waste of our time and money.

I would say that within 5 miles of downtown. That puts you within the pre 1950s employment centers.

Potentially, I do not think they would be a big fan of bulldozing a neighborhood or anything like that that has been mentioned here before.

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Re: Amazon searching for second HQ

Postby KCPowercat » Fri Sep 22, 2017 9:27 am

If we don't respond with a downtown urban core site we are wasting our time.

30 miles from urban center might work for an NYC or Chicago bid but not for KC.

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Re: Amazon searching for second HQ

Postby shinatoo » Fri Sep 22, 2017 10:23 am

Sprint campus is ready to go. 3.9 million sq feet. Soon to be vacated and lots of tech employees available.
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