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Re: 531 Grand

Post by loftguy » Tue Mar 22, 2016 11:34 am

I'm thinking that I heard that this was a two story podium construction....?

If so, it would seem to indicate that it would be concrete on the first two floors, and stick construction on the upper five.

Not sure, so chalk this up to speculation.

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Re: 531 Grand

Post by bspecht » Wed Apr 06, 2016 11:20 pm

Any news on groundbreaking? Didn't see any coverage of it happening.

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Re: 531 Grand

Post by DaveKCMO » Thu Apr 07, 2016 10:25 pm

bspecht wrote:Any news on groundbreaking? Didn't see any coverage of it happening.
postponed. no new date.

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Re: 531 Grand

Post by mister816 » Thu Apr 07, 2016 11:26 pm

DaveKCMO wrote:
bspecht wrote:Any news on groundbreaking? Didn't see any coverage of it happening.
postponed. no new date.
Well, shit.

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Re: 531 Grand

Post by kboish » Mon Apr 18, 2016 3:34 pm

What was the hold up with this?

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Re: 531 Grand

Post by kboish » Tue May 31, 2016 4:14 pm

Fencing up around the lot today. Possible construction will start soon?

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Re: 531 Grand

Post by flyingember » Tue May 31, 2016 6:54 pm

kboish wrote:Fencing up around the lot today. Possible construction will start soon?
Expect train use to go up. I usually see about 100 cars parked here for the city market.

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Re: 531 Grand

Post by DaveKCMO » Fri Jun 03, 2016 7:59 am

groundbreaking is june 6.

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Re: 531 Grand

Post by geeman68 » Fri Jun 03, 2016 8:32 am

=D> =D> =D>
DaveKCMO wrote:groundbreaking is june 6.

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Re: 531 Grand

Post by DaveKCMO » Mon Jun 06, 2016 2:34 pm

ground = broken

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Re: 531 Grand

Post by missingkc » Fri Jul 15, 2016 5:55 am

In Bizjournal, 7/14: "Block said the developers are considering an expansion that would add about 50 more units." No comment on whether that would be up or out, if there's even room for out.

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Re: 531 Grand

Post by Eon Blue » Fri Jul 15, 2016 7:49 am

Hopefully it's not via demo of the Muelehbach building.

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Re: 531 Grand

Post by town cow » Fri Jul 15, 2016 7:52 am

Word is that is what will happen.

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Re: 531 Grand

Post by loftguy » Fri Jul 15, 2016 2:03 pm

Word also says that the Muehlebach was found 'not eligible' for Historic Tax Credits, by the state of Missouri.

No credits, no project, no building.

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Re: 531 Grand

Post by JLowe2018 » Fri Jul 15, 2016 2:08 pm

loftguy wrote:Word also says that the Muehlebach was found 'not eligible' for Historic Tax Credits, by the state of Missouri.

No credits, no project, no building.
Why was it found "not eligable"?

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Re: 531 Grand

Post by loftguy » Mon Jul 18, 2016 3:47 pm

JLowe2018 wrote:
loftguy wrote:Word also says that the Muehlebach was found 'not eligible' for Historic Tax Credits, by the state of Missouri.

No credits, no project, no building.
Why was it found "not eligable"?
I don't have that answer, if one is even given.

I anticipate that they simply did not accept the premise for eligibility provided in the application.

There are pretty stringent guidelines that need to be met and I have to wonder if the extreme isolation of this property and the lack of surrounding context wasn't a deal killer.

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Re: 531 Grand

Post by FangKC » Mon Jul 18, 2016 5:02 pm

That could be Loftguy. It could also be that it was determined that the building wasn't a significant part of the Muehlebach brewery complex. For example, the building was at the far south end of the Muehlebach brewery complex. It might not have been part of the brewing operations for most of the history of the brewery, but was purchased much later and only used to store crates of beer, or extra storage of used equipment or something like that.

Although it does seem strange that if if were a less significant building that Muehlebach would have gone to the trouble of placing a concrete building placard on the building.

If I were the developer, even without the historic tax credits, I would reuse the building, and add the additional apartments by building higher--adding one more floor or two on the other parts of the lot. The Muehlebach building is just the right size to reuse as a restaurant or bar.

What are the height limits in the River Market? They might be able to get a variance since the building is on the edge of the RM next to a highway.

My guess is that the additional 50 apartments will require 50 additional parking spaces in the garage, and the Muehlebach Building will be demolished to expand the garage to accommodate that need.

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Re: 531 Grand

Post by mgh7676 » Mon Jul 18, 2016 6:14 pm

loftguy wrote:
JLowe2018 wrote:
loftguy wrote:Word also says that the Muehlebach was found 'not eligible' for Historic Tax Credits, by the state of Missouri.

No credits, no project, no building.
Why was it found "not eligable"?
I don't have that answer, if one is even given.

I anticipate that they simply did not accept the premise for eligibility provided in the application.

There are pretty stringent guidelines that need to be met and I have to wonder if the extreme isolation of this property and the lack of surrounding context wasn't a deal killer.
In my dreamland world, where the north loop is wiped out and the grid is restored, we are really going to miss these buildings that are seemingly isolated at the present. I think the same of the building sitting empty at Main & Missouri.

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Re: 531 Grand

Post by flyingember » Tue Jul 19, 2016 8:08 am

FangKC wrote:My guess is that the additional 50 apartments will require 50 additional parking spaces in the garage, and the Muehlebach Building will be demolished to expand the garage to accommodate that need.
Some recent parking numbers are a spot for every other bedroom. I believe this is close to what Two Light is doing.

So 50 units would have 25-35 spots based on that

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Re: 531 Grand

Post by flyingember » Fri Aug 19, 2016 7:45 am

Columns are going in.

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