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Re: Crossroads West

Post by smh » Wed Apr 09, 2014 8:40 am

Here's a quick outline I did of the land involved in this project.

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We were told that the project will not demolish the southernmost building in the picture (just at the edge of the image). Something about water retention/runoff/flooding.

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Re: Crossroads West

Post by DaveKCMO » Wed Apr 09, 2014 9:02 am

they actually will demolish that small building on the south edge. that's how they absorb more runoff :)

also, the small lot in the middle is not part of the deal. the rendering showed it in its current state (not spiffed up).

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Re: Crossroads West

Post by smh » Wed Apr 09, 2014 9:18 am

DaveKCMO wrote:they actually will demolish that small building on the south edge. that's how they absorb more runoff :)

also, the small lot in the middle is not part of the deal. the rendering showed it in its current state (not spiffed up).
I thought they said they were not demoing that building that they were just leaving it alone? In any case, water is the issue.

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Re: Crossroads West

Post by Critical_Mass » Wed Apr 09, 2014 9:19 am

Is the 'Westside Professional Building' parcel included in the site (and being razed)? It looks to be in rough shape (it has at least one tree growing ON it) but it has character. I could see it being fixed up into something nice. kcmidtowner's outlines from earlier excluded it but this outline includes it.

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Re: Crossroads West

Post by smh » Wed Apr 09, 2014 9:21 am

Critical_Mass wrote:Is the 'Westside Professional Building' parcel included in the site (and being razed)? It looks to be in rough shape (it has at least one tree growing ON it) but it has character. I could see it being fixed up into something nice. kcmidtowner's outlines from earlier excluded it but this outline includes it.
It will be demolished.

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Re: Crossroads West

Post by KCPowercat » Wed Apr 09, 2014 8:08 pm

The Star finally picked these 3 projects up.

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Re: Crossroads West

Post by Critical_Mass » Wed Apr 09, 2014 8:42 pm

^ http://www.kansascity.com/2014/04/09/49 ... suing.html

Was excited to learn that the Crossroads West project is designed by Helix who I think does really nice contemporary work.
The QH projects are designed by the previously mentioned NSPJ Architects of Prairie Village, so I'll be happy with anything that doesn't look like it should be perched up on the bluffs at Briarcliff.

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Re: Crossroads West

Post by KCPowercat » Wed Apr 09, 2014 9:06 pm

Critical_Mass wrote:^ http://www.kansascity.com/2014/04/09/49 ... suing.html

Was excited to learn that the Crossroads West project is designed by Helix who I think does really nice contemporary work.
The QH projects are designed by the previously mentioned NSPJ Architects of Prairie Village, so I'll be happy with anything that doesn't look like it should be perched up on the bluffs at Briarcliff.
This is also the firm doing the P&L redo / new building right? How the hell are they all of a sudden the downtown architect?

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Re: Crossroads West

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Re: Crossroads West

Post by kboish » Wed Apr 09, 2014 10:46 pm

Its about time projects like this get going DT. I'll debate details all day over what I like and don't like about the design... but i love all of this dev down town...so many empty lots getting filled in!

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Re: Crossroads West

Post by smh » Thu Apr 10, 2014 7:44 am

It's kind of annoying that I sat in an hour long meeting about this project with the developer and he did not share the above rendering given to the Star.

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Re: Crossroads West

Post by shinatoo » Thu Apr 10, 2014 7:54 am

Without PnL none of this happens. That's what justified the investment. Got to spend money to make money.
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Re: Crossroads West

Post by rxlexi » Thu Apr 10, 2014 3:06 pm

Without PnL none of this happens. That's what justified the investment. Got to spend money to make money.
Thank you, agreed.

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Re: Crossroads West

Post by Worn Copy » Fri Apr 11, 2014 11:17 am

I hope this developer takes heed of the development proposal at 1914 Main Street (http://kcrag.com/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=19221, namely: 1. orientation to the street 2. ground floor commercial space. This project is a fraction of the size of Crossroads West yet they are adding a mixed-used component.
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Re: Crossroads West

Post by drumatix » Fri Apr 11, 2014 3:28 pm

Wald & Co Fireworks occupied part of that site for years if I'm not mistaken. Imagine a large quantity of commercial grade fireworks (and stuff for the kids of course) stored in an area that built-up nowadays... not going to happen!

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Re: Crossroads West

Post by flyingember » Fri Apr 11, 2014 4:51 pm

Worn Copy wrote:I hope this developer takes heed of the development proposal at 1914 Main Street (http://kcrag.com/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=19221, namely: 1. orientation to the street 2. ground floor commercial space. This project is a fraction of the size of Crossroads West yet they are adding a mixed-used component.
mixed use needs to happen across downtown, but better to push on projects where it's more centrally located for more people
let the residents of a corner development have a quiet back street

and then the city can legitimately they push where it makes sense, they're not being unreasonable and being particular about everything out there

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Re: Crossroads West

Post by FangKC » Fri Apr 11, 2014 7:34 pm

Additional photos for this project.

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Re: Crossroads West

Post by Worn Copy » Fri Apr 11, 2014 11:37 pm

flyingember wrote:
Worn Copy wrote:I hope this developer takes heed of the development proposal at 1914 Main Street (http://kcrag.com/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=19221, namely: 1. orientation to the street 2. ground floor commercial space. This project is a fraction of the size of Crossroads West yet they are adding a mixed-used component.
mixed use needs to happen across downtown, but better to push on projects where it's more centrally located for more people
let the residents of a corner development have a quiet back street

and then the city can legitimately they push where it makes sense, they're not being unreasonable and being particular about everything out there
How does a small ground-floor commercial space not make sense here? Several hundred-unit building, surrounded by offices and other apartment buildings, restaurants and shops either side along SW Blvd. In most cities, a development of this size and context would be required to provide ground-floor retail or other public amenities by the development code. This encourages pedestrian connectivity, vibrancy, and ultimately = the value of the developer's investment. Developers with experience in progressive markets understand the value of context-sensitive design. If the wedge north of the site were incorporated in combo it's got potential to be a great small urban public space.

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Re: Crossroads West

Post by flyingember » Sat Apr 12, 2014 12:03 am

Worn Copy wrote:
flyingember wrote:
Worn Copy wrote:I hope this developer takes heed of the development proposal at 1914 Main Street (http://kcrag.com/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=19221, namely: 1. orientation to the street 2. ground floor commercial space. This project is a fraction of the size of Crossroads West yet they are adding a mixed-used component.
mixed use needs to happen across downtown, but better to push on projects where it's more centrally located for more people
let the residents of a corner development have a quiet back street

and then the city can legitimately they push where it makes sense, they're not being unreasonable and being particular about everything out there
How does a small ground-floor commercial space not make sense here? Several hundred-unit building, surrounded by offices and other apartment buildings, restaurants and shops either side along SW Blvd. In most cities, a development of this size and context would be required to provide ground-floor retail or other public amenities by the development code. This encourages pedestrian connectivity, vibrancy, and ultimately = the value of the developer's investment. Developers with experience in progressive markets understand the value of context-sensitive design. If the wedge north of the site were incorporated in combo it's got potential to be a great small urban public space.
Look at a map. For someone looking to lease space, you would pick a block to the north on sw blvd. this project would still be close to this spot and you would have way more visibility.

It's likely lease value was less than the cost to build the commercial space. Especially when downtown has a glut of it right now

No one wants to be in a back corner.

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Re: Crossroads West

Post by DaveKCMO » Sat Apr 12, 2014 8:51 am

not to mention the poster child for ground-level retail requirements -- portland -- has had trouble filling it all. focus on the streets that are already well suited for retail uses first (like southwest boulevard). kansas city seems pretty saturated for retail anyway.

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