OFFICIAL - Loews Convention Hotel (formerly Hyatt)

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Re: OFFICIAL - Loews Convention Hotel (formerly Hyatt)

Postby GRID » Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:34 pm

KCPowercat wrote:Really wish the SW corner wasn't a big concrete pillar....even if it could be glass it would be much improved.


I think for the ballroom corner of a major convention hotel, they did a decent job. The entire convention center area is a huge dead zone, like they are in every city. Most convention hotels that have a large ballroom/meeting space are pretty hideous outside the main entrance. The Hilton hotel across from Camden Yards in Baltimore is nearly identical in size and basic layout to the KC hotel and that thing is much worse and it's right across the street from the stadium.

It would have been nice if they had put the rooms in a single 40 story tower rather than the L shaped blocky looking tower, but I guess that would have added a lot of extra cost, I'm not sure.

Sure would be cool to see this go up at the same time as Three Light. Also, KC still does not have a Hyatt a W and several others. Maybe this will get some other hotels to come to Downtown. When Nashville's first new large hotel went up, other chains started tripping over themselves to come into the market. Maybe this will get the attention of some other hotels chains?

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Re: OFFICIAL - Loews Convention Hotel (formerly Hyatt)

Postby KCPowercat » Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:39 pm

The corner I'm referencing wouldn't be a dead zone and actually the entire south facade won't be dead...pedestrians coming from streetcar to PAC for example. Across the street is blank waiting for something to be developed there. I think the real shame was the building wasn't flipped on the property...the hotel tower on the south and this dead space on the north facing the interstate.

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Re: OFFICIAL - Loews Convention Hotel (formerly Hyatt)

Postby GRID » Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:45 pm

I see what you are saying, but wouldn't you want the hotel and main entrance to generally face the core of Downtown, the P&L district, the main part of the convention center, the future deck over the highway etc? Chances are another hotel will go up across the street to the south.

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Postby KCPowercat » Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:54 pm

yeah I see that too....just where it is and the elevation difference in the block (on both sides of 670) not sure the cap will ever go on this block...if so it would be a huge change in elevation between Baltimore and Wyandotte....maybe more like an amphitheater setup.

they have done a better job with the south facade from earlier drawings.....

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Re: OFFICIAL - Loews Convention Hotel (formerly Hyatt)

Postby GRID » Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:01 pm

I think the city needs to get very creative and really progressive and think outside the typical KC box on that deck over the highway. There are a lot of challenges with the elevation changes and what not, but the city could really build something special there where people will want to hang out. I think that is one project the city should go all out on and spend some money and do it right.

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Postby KCPowercat » Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:03 pm

Agreed...the other blocks are a bit more level but this block would take something creative....and with Cordish in support of it, could get something really cool there. In the end the orientation maybe best but I still think they could push Loew's a little more to make that south end more than just an afterthought.

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Postby horizons82 » Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:32 pm

KCPowercat wrote:Agreed...the other blocks are a bit more level but this block would take something creative....and with Cordish in support of it, could get something really cool there. In the end the orientation maybe best but I still think they could push Loew's a little more to make that south end more than just an afterthought.


I don't really see what substantially improvable, unless you're ditching the parking garage? You could potentially eliminate the southern most row of parking in the garage and open that up to retail, but with the grade it would be awkward.

That "concrete pilar" is the fire stair for the garage and lobby level, I would not be surprised if it's encased in precast walls. If that's the case, you're pretty limited in overall area available for glazing. It's not the pattern I would have gone with, but I get what they're having to work with.

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Re: OFFICIAL - Loews Convention Hotel (formerly Hyatt)

Postby moderne » Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:19 pm

None of the renderings I have seen show what if any treatment will be to the limestone rock face above Truman immediately below the current Hereford bldng. I don't recall any rockfalls but the construction may disturb this and make it as unstable as the stone above Main at the Liberty Memorial. To me the guestroom tower looks like 2 different buildings when viewed from the southwest as opposed to the northeast. All glass on the NE but more solid elements on the SW.

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Re: OFFICIAL - Loews Convention Hotel (formerly Hyatt)

Postby chaglang » Wed Feb 07, 2018 7:54 am

KCPowercat wrote:Really wish the SW corner wasn't a big concrete pillar....even if it could be glass it would be much improved.

For a graffiti canvas, it's very thoughtfully designed. I'm sure Foner and Roten will appreciate the smooth texture of the stone.

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Postby KCPowercat » Wed Feb 07, 2018 9:11 am

Fire stairs are encassed in glass all the time. It's actually benefits the outside and the users of the stairs feel safer.

Why so much push back in looking for better ground level experiences from this building? It's catty-corner from one of our crown jewels and this building is turning it back to it.

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Re: OFFICIAL - Loews Convention Hotel (formerly Hyatt)

Postby chaglang » Wed Feb 07, 2018 9:47 am

The doors that lead into the stairs are limited in the amount of glass they can have. But once you're through the door, stairs on an exterior wall are essentially on the outside of the fire rating line. So: in most construction types (guessing Type II-B with sprinklers here), if the windows are on an exterior wall and your fire separation distance to the next structure allows for it, you can have windows in the fire stair enclosure. They are almost certainly ok with fire separation on Baltimore, maybe not on 16th.

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Re: OFFICIAL - Loews Convention Hotel (formerly Hyatt)

Postby horizons82 » Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:54 pm

KCPowercat wrote:Fire stairs are encassed in glass all the time. It's actually benefits the outside and the users of the stairs feel safer.

Why so much push back in looking for better ground level experiences from this building? It's catty-corner from one of our crown jewels and this building is turning it back to it.


Yes, but if they're using precast for the parking decking then there's sometimes construction & time benefits to using precast walls for the stairs rather than switching to steel or masonry.

I'm not sure what you're wanting for improvement? I sincerely agree it's not perfect, but in concrete (no pun intended) terms what would you change that's in the realm of the plausible? Switch the stair tower from precast to glass, sure. What else?

I absolute love the Kauffman Center, probably in the top five of my favorite buildings. That said, if there has to be a garage somewhere, it should go along 16th rather than towards truman. I mean, the Kauffman in effect turns its back on 16th. But is this hotel even turning its back other than at the ground plane? There's all sorts of glazing & balconies from the conference rooms with views of the KC.

To me if you want to talk about celebrating the Kauffman's greatness, it's more imperative to focus on what will be built to its immediate east and west in the future. That's going to be visible from the lobby and front lawn.

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Re: OFFICIAL - Loews Convention Hotel (formerly Hyatt)

Postby KCPowercat » Wed Feb 07, 2018 1:10 pm

I'd much prefer the garage on the north side of the block or buried. Even if a cap happens on this block it's going to be elevating as it goes west...so a garage and ballroom wall wouldn't be as intrusive to the pedestrian experience as it's going to be on 16th.

Absent that? The first level going up the street could have a single piece street art ....maybe light art...then you could even keep the concrete stairwell but it wouldn't be as much a focal point.

The design is looking much better than initial plans which is only occuring because neighbors are demanding it....sitting back and giving developers excuses for average design will result in a neighborhood having average design for 50 ton100 years.

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Re: OFFICIAL - Loews Convention Hotel (formerly Hyatt)

Postby ldai_phs » Thu Feb 08, 2018 5:31 pm

Sounds like a more official ground breaking will be coming in the next months

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Re: OFFICIAL - Loews Convention Hotel (formerly Hyatt)

Postby KCLover » Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:17 am

So does the city make them paint the barrier wall? There's two guys painting it currently and found that kind of funny albeit it looks nicer.
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Re: OFFICIAL - Loews Convention Hotel (formerly Hyatt)

Postby scooterj » Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:23 am

Hah, so at least displaced pedestrians will have a more aesthetically pleasing view as they are run over by trucks. :)

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Postby KCLover » Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:38 am

scooterj wrote:Hah, so at least displaced pedestrians will have a more aesthetically pleasing view as they are run over by trucks. :)


I guess it would be a shitty way to go. Ran over by a truck and the last thing you saw was unpainted plywood.

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Re: OFFICIAL - Loews Convention Hotel (formerly Hyatt)

Postby KCMOJoe89 » Thu Feb 15, 2018 1:28 pm

I'm all for the re-greening of our urban landscape as seen in that aerial view!

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Re: OFFICIAL - Loews Convention Hotel (formerly Hyatt)

Postby SimplyKC » Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:15 pm

KCMOJoe89 wrote:I'm all for the re-greening of our urban landscape as seen in that aerial view!


The green area (and buildings) in the lower left corner of the first rendering already exists.


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