OFFICIAL - Loews Convention Hotel (formerly Hyatt)

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Re: OFFICIAL - Loews Convention Hotel (formerly Hyatt)

Postby mister816 » Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:42 pm

KCPowercat wrote:That's why I'm torn on this...it's not what we wanted and had and ordinance passed to enforce but there was zero foot traffic here anyways.


Exactly. Maybe i'm in the minority here but this specific block was rarely if ever used unless by the people who parked in that old parking lot so it's not a big deal to me. Most all pedestrians who would be using this street will be coming from the Residence Inn and Sporting and they are on the opened side of the road anyway. We have a VERY hard timeline to get this hotel up and running for the Shriner's convention and i doubt that they want to be dealing with confined spaces and getting 15 day permits to block the sidewalk when needed.

We are not Chicago and this closure is affecting next to no one. Choose your battles wisely before we become another CFRG like group who complain about everything. Its going to get to the point that when there is seriously something that does matter happens, no one will listen.
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Re: OFFICIAL - Loews Convention Hotel (formerly Hyatt)

Postby tower » Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:53 pm

I agree that this particular stretch of sidewalk doesn't get used much, so it really isn't a big deal, BUT we can't just let developers ignore the ordinance. Allow them to file for an exception (only if low sidewalk traffic) that has to be voted on by a committee or something.

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Re: OFFICIAL - Loews Convention Hotel (formerly Hyatt)

Postby KCPowercat » Thu Jan 25, 2018 1:05 pm

That's why I hate to just ignore it. Developers,. Construction comapnies, and city staff need to be reminded of this new ordinance....right now 95% of new projects since the ordinance has passed has needed a 311 ticket to bring a pedestrian path back....that's ridiculous

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Re: OFFICIAL - Loews Convention Hotel (formerly Hyatt)

Postby KCPowercat » Thu Jan 25, 2018 1:06 pm

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KCPowercat wrote:That's why I'm torn on this...it's not what we wanted and had and ordinance passed to enforce but there was zero foot traffic here anyways.


Exactly. Maybe i'm in the minority here but this specific block was rarely if ever used unless by the people who parked in that old parking lot so it's not a big deal to me. Most all pedestrians who would be using this street will be coming from the Residence Inn and Sporting and they are on the opened side of the road anyway. We have a VERY hard timeline to get this hotel up and running for the Shriner's convention and i doubt that they want to be dealing with confined spaces and getting 15 day permits to block the sidewalk when needed.

We are not Chicago and this closure is affecting next to no one. Chose your battles wisely before we become another CFRG like group who complain about everything. Its going to get to the point that when there is seriously something that does matter happens, no one will listen.


No need for a 15 day closure. Build a 4 foot ped path with another set of concrete barriers and pedestrian protection. It costs nothing and it's done right....and to code.

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Re: OFFICIAL - Loews Convention Hotel (formerly Hyatt)

Postby grovester » Thu Jan 25, 2018 9:10 pm

Following the law should not be "picking" a battle.

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Re: OFFICIAL - Loews Convention Hotel (formerly Hyatt)

Postby KC_JAYHAWK » Fri Jan 26, 2018 9:09 am

Can't you just walk on the other side of the street? Anyway, I never see people walking that stretch anyway, so not sure I see the big deal.

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Re: OFFICIAL - Loews Convention Hotel (formerly Hyatt)

Postby KCPowercat » Fri Jan 26, 2018 9:47 am

Yes you can. Cars can also just take the next block....so not sure what the big deal is.

The ordinance is to keep sidewalks open on both sides of the street if a project is closing a sidewalk more than 15 days? Is it hard for most to just cross the street? No..more annoying. Is it harder for someone who can't walk well or in a wheelchair? Yes.

Grovester is right...we are just asking for the laws to be followed...and while it may seem insignificant on this project, it's the norm with all projects even after the ordinance passed....it's ridiculous

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Postby grovester » Fri Jan 26, 2018 10:07 pm

Developers and companies need to get into the habit.

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Re: OFFICIAL - Loews Convention Hotel (formerly Hyatt)

Postby chaglang » Sat Jan 27, 2018 6:20 pm

Yeah, I’m not sure how people asking for a city ordinance to be followed is a slippery slope to being CFRG. A lot of people picked the passage of a sidewalk closure ordinance as a worthy battle to fight for and it’s absurd to turn around and not fight for its enforcement. If anything I’ve found that not objecting to something like this makes the city more likely to ignore you the next time something comes up.

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Re: OFFICIAL - Loews Convention Hotel (formerly Hyatt)

Postby WoodDraw » Sat Jan 27, 2018 10:47 pm

Oh if they violate it, I'll be the first one to report them. The city won't actually enforce it though.

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Re: OFFICIAL - Loews Convention Hotel (formerly Hyatt)

Postby mister816 » Sat Jan 27, 2018 11:53 pm

... the city knows, the city doesn't care because the city understands that this hurts no one. I'm sure if you dug deep enough, there are dozens of violations in almost every project that goes up in every city. It only annoys the very small minority.

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Re: OFFICIAL - Loews Convention Hotel (formerly Hyatt)

Postby WoodDraw » Sun Jan 28, 2018 12:08 am

mister816 wrote:... the city knows, the city doesn't care because the city understands that this hurts no one. I'm sure if you dug deep enough, there are dozens of violations in almost every project that goes up in every city. It only annoys the very small minority.


If I hear "the very small minority" line again, I might go crazy.

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Re: OFFICIAL - Loews Convention Hotel (formerly Hyatt)

Postby chaglang » Sun Jan 28, 2018 9:33 am

^ :lol: it’s just one level above “victimless crime”

816 you are assuming that there’s something rational and considered about the city’s ignoring this ordinance. My experience building in KCMO has been that the city staff ignores ordinances they don’t know about or don’t understand. I would be shocked if anyone at the city actually studied the pedestrian traffic on that block and then decided not to enforce the ordinance. Simply, there is no “the city understands”.

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Re: OFFICIAL - Loews Convention Hotel (formerly Hyatt)

Postby KCPowercat » Sun Jan 28, 2018 10:14 am

That's why we keep reporting these every time they happen...so staff enforces it. Getting the ear of the public works communications person (beth) is also helping.

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Re: OFFICIAL - Loews Convention Hotel (formerly Hyatt)

Postby grovester » Sun Jan 28, 2018 8:51 pm

If they have to maintain the sidewalks they won't be able to afford chocolate mints for the pillows.

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Re: OFFICIAL - Loews Convention Hotel (formerly Hyatt)

Postby KCPowercat » Sun Jan 28, 2018 10:37 pm

4 pedestrians hit by cars this weekend.....

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Re: OFFICIAL - Loews Convention Hotel (formerly Hyatt)

Postby DaveKCMO » Mon Jan 29, 2018 1:14 pm

some pics from sunday:

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Re: OFFICIAL - Loews Convention Hotel (formerly Hyatt)

Postby grecobs » Mon Jan 29, 2018 5:40 pm

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Re: OFFICIAL - Loews Convention Hotel (formerly Hyatt)

Postby mister816 » Mon Jan 29, 2018 7:46 pm

DaveKCMO wrote:some pics from sunday:
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This is crazy, the law says that they needed to keep that hole where the sidewalk used to be open, I'll be tweeting sly immediately!


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