OFFICIAL - Loews Convention Hotel (formerly Hyatt)

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Re: OFFICIAL - Loews Convention Hotel (formerly Hyatt)

Post by KC_JAYHAWK » Fri Jan 26, 2018 9:09 am

Can't you just walk on the other side of the street? Anyway, I never see people walking that stretch anyway, so not sure I see the big deal.

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Post by KCPowercat » Fri Jan 26, 2018 9:47 am

Yes you can. Cars can also just take the next block....so not sure what the big deal is.

The ordinance is to keep sidewalks open on both sides of the street if a project is closing a sidewalk more than 15 days? Is it hard for most to just cross the street? No..more annoying. Is it harder for someone who can't walk well or in a wheelchair? Yes.

Grovester is right...we are just asking for the laws to be followed...and while it may seem insignificant on this project, it's the norm with all projects even after the ordinance passed....it's ridiculous

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Post by grovester » Fri Jan 26, 2018 10:07 pm

Developers and companies need to get into the habit.

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Post by chaglang » Sat Jan 27, 2018 6:20 pm

Yeah, I’m not sure how people asking for a city ordinance to be followed is a slippery slope to being CFRG. A lot of people picked the passage of a sidewalk closure ordinance as a worthy battle to fight for and it’s absurd to turn around and not fight for its enforcement. If anything I’ve found that not objecting to something like this makes the city more likely to ignore you the next time something comes up.

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Post by WoodDraw » Sat Jan 27, 2018 10:47 pm

Oh if they violate it, I'll be the first one to report them. The city won't actually enforce it though.

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Post by mister816 » Sat Jan 27, 2018 11:53 pm

... the city knows, the city doesn't care because the city understands that this hurts no one. I'm sure if you dug deep enough, there are dozens of violations in almost every project that goes up in every city. It only annoys the very small minority.

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Post by WoodDraw » Sun Jan 28, 2018 12:08 am

mister816 wrote:... the city knows, the city doesn't care because the city understands that this hurts no one. I'm sure if you dug deep enough, there are dozens of violations in almost every project that goes up in every city. It only annoys the very small minority.
If I hear "the very small minority" line again, I might go crazy.

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Post by chaglang » Sun Jan 28, 2018 9:33 am

^ :lol: it’s just one level above “victimless crime”

816 you are assuming that there’s something rational and considered about the city’s ignoring this ordinance. My experience building in KCMO has been that the city staff ignores ordinances they don’t know about or don’t understand. I would be shocked if anyone at the city actually studied the pedestrian traffic on that block and then decided not to enforce the ordinance. Simply, there is no “the city understands”.

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Post by KCPowercat » Sun Jan 28, 2018 10:14 am

That's why we keep reporting these every time they happen...so staff enforces it. Getting the ear of the public works communications person (beth) is also helping.

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Post by grovester » Sun Jan 28, 2018 8:51 pm

If they have to maintain the sidewalks they won't be able to afford chocolate mints for the pillows.

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Post by KCPowercat » Sun Jan 28, 2018 10:37 pm

4 pedestrians hit by cars this weekend.....

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Post by DaveKCMO » Mon Jan 29, 2018 1:14 pm

some pics from sunday:

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Post by mister816 » Mon Jan 29, 2018 7:46 pm

DaveKCMO wrote:some pics from sunday:
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This is crazy, the law says that they needed to keep that hole where the sidewalk used to be open, I'll be tweeting sly immediately!

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Post by horizons82 » Mon Jan 29, 2018 8:15 pm

mister816 wrote:
DaveKCMO wrote:some pics from sunday:
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This is crazy, the law says that they needed to keep that hole where the sidewalk used to be open, I'll be tweeting sly immediately!
:roll:

The law went into effect for all projects moving forward. If the city is going to let it slide on the biggest project downtown, then enforce it on a smaller property in the crossroads, that's bs. Fair is fair.

If the developers didn't want to comply, maybe they should have got their shit done on time years ago, before the ordinance passed?

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Post by KCPowercat » Mon Jan 29, 2018 8:44 pm

har har.

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Post by mister816 » Mon Jan 29, 2018 10:18 pm

horizons82 wrote:
mister816 wrote:
DaveKCMO wrote:some pics from sunday:
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This is crazy, the law says that they needed to keep that hole where the sidewalk used to be open, I'll be tweeting sly immediately!
:roll:

The law went into effect for all projects moving forward. If the city is going to let it slide on the biggest project downtown, then enforce it on a smaller property in the crossroads, that's bs. Fair is fair.

If the developers didn't want to comply, maybe they should have got their shit done on time years ago, before the ordinance passed?
I get it, i really do. Every single one of us jumped to conclusions about what was going on with this sidewalk, if they are going to repave this sidewalk and then build up to the sidewalk, then it was absolutely necessary for them to close it for a while. We didn't know what was going on and most likely no one in this forum knows the plan for what's happening in the future.

What we do know is that they are going to build up to the sidewalk and it absolutely cannot be opened for that. I'm sure the engineers and construction company knows what the law is and will follow it when they can but once again, THEY ARE BUILDING UP TO THE SIDEWALK AND THE SIDEWALK CANNOT BE OPENED TO PEDESTRIANS IN THE MEANTIME. It's okay, another sidewalk is opened that is about 28 feet away.

here's to hoping that they reopen the sidewalk to as soon as possible.

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Post by chaglang » Mon Jan 29, 2018 10:31 pm

Very recent experience with building downtown leads me to believe that neither the engineers nor the GC know about the ordinance. Maybe the architects know. Maybe. And sometimes you have to tell even the city about the ordinance. That’s a weird conversation, trust me. From that same experience, I can tell you that the workaround to the sidewalk not being there is to put a temp sidewalk in the street. Easy peasy. But someone has to care. These ordinances don’t enforce themselves.

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Post by KCPowercat » Mon Jan 29, 2018 11:14 pm

mister816 wrote:
horizons82 wrote:
mister816 wrote:
This is crazy, the law says that they needed to keep that hole where the sidewalk used to be open, I'll be tweeting sly immediately!
:roll:

The law went into effect for all projects moving forward. If the city is going to let it slide on the biggest project downtown, then enforce it on a smaller property in the crossroads, that's bs. Fair is fair.

If the developers didn't want to comply, maybe they should have got their shit done on time years ago, before the ordinance passed?
I get it, i really do. Every single one of us jumped to conclusions about what was going on with this sidewalk, if they are going to repave this sidewalk and then build up to the sidewalk, then it was absolutely necessary for them to close it for a while. We didn't know what was going on and most likely no one in this forum knows the plan for what's happening in the future.

What we do know is that they are going to build up to the sidewalk and it absolutely cannot be opened for that. I'm sure the engineers and construction company knows what the law is and will follow it when they can but once again, THEY ARE BUILDING UP TO THE SIDEWALK AND THE SIDEWALK CANNOT BE OPENED TO PEDESTRIANS IN THE MEANTIME. It's okay, another sidewalk is opened that is about 28 feet away.

here's to hoping that they reopen the sidewalk to as soon as possible.
the ordinance doesn't say the existing physical sidewalk has to be open...just a pedestrian path on that side of the street....eliminates pedestrians from having to cross traffic twice within a block to continue on their journey...it's not an unreasonable or uncommon ask of construction sites.

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