OFFICIAL - Loews Convention Hotel (formerly Hyatt)

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Re: OFFICIAL - Loews Convention Hotel (formerly Hyatt)

Post by joshmv » Sun Jul 02, 2017 11:24 am

earthling wrote:^It's not my pic, someone else posted in another thread. The link doesn't work for you either?
Ya it just goes to photobucket and puts a big ad in front that can't be closed for some reason. I'm sure I'll see it later when I'm on my desktop but photobucket has definitely gone downhill.

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Re: OFFICIAL - Loews Convention Hotel (formerly Hyatt)

Post by earthling » Sun Jul 02, 2017 11:26 am

^Refresh again.

Imagine a 4th building to the left with approximately same external building materials. Then imagine each building entirely unique designs with entirely different external building materials.

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Post by earthling » Sun Jul 02, 2017 11:52 am

Imagine something like this replacing a wall of 4 buildings leaning towards the same appearance. Not suggesting these particular designs but the notion of having 4 completely different buildings with different external materials...

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Of course the one on the far right of skyline will be the current Two Light.

Thoughts?

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Post by normalthings » Sun Jul 02, 2017 1:14 pm

earthling wrote:^Refresh again.

Imagine a 4th building to the left with approximately same external building materials. Then imagine each building entirely unique designs with entirely different external building materials.

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Let's also not forget to imagine how new buildings going up in the cross roads may end up blocking out part of the "wall"

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Post by earthling » Sun Jul 02, 2017 1:21 pm

Maybe in 10 years, maybe in 50. Xroads might have very little if any hirise development long term. There are still large lots open in the loop, like 8th/Wyandotte area more suitable for hirise. So you are ok with 4 in a row approximately the same vs mixing it up per the above? The cookie cutter wall could possibly be avoided if speaking up now.

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Post by normalthings » Sun Jul 02, 2017 1:26 pm

earthling wrote:Maybe in 10 years, maybe in 50. Xroads might have very little if any hirise development long term. So you are ok with 4 in a row approximately the same vs mixing it up per the above? The cookie cutter wall could possibly be avoided if speaking up now.
Oh no. I totally agree that they should mix it up. But I think that some mid sized buildings in Crossroads will help to recreate a more natural stepped feeling. Which would make it look better. But I do think thy should try to mix it up.

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Post by NorthOak » Sun Jul 02, 2017 3:09 pm

earthling wrote:^It's not my pic, someone else posted in another thread. The link doesn't work for you either?
I've just posted it somewhere else, if owner of pic doesn't want that I'll take it down, refresh and try again.
I don't care :D
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Post by NorthOak » Sun Jul 02, 2017 3:13 pm

Don't forget that on the left of these (west) 3 towers there is going to be another blocky, glass, -23+ floor hotel that will complete the front "wall." I'm in no position to judge but I do hope the decision-makers keep all of these things in mind when planning Three and Four Light.
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Post by earthling » Sun Jul 02, 2017 3:16 pm

^Right, that's what I was indicating, another 4th building to the left of your rendering that will be convention hotel with potentially same/similar glass/material feel - potentially an even longer monotone wall. And thanks for letting me re-host your pic. But why are you in no position to judge? It's our city and these projects are getting city aid. If you want better, speak up.

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Post by miz.jordan17 » Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:01 am

What could CFRG possibly be able to sue the developers/city for now?

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Post by flyingember » Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:30 am

NorthOak wrote:Don't forget that on the left of these (west) 3 towers there is going to be another blocky, glass, -23+ floor hotel that will complete the front "wall." I'm in no position to judge but I do hope the decision-makers keep all of these things in mind when planning Three and Four Light.
Four Light will have a half block gap in between it and Three Light.

It also will be turned 90 degrees.

So not exactly the same as a wall.

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Post by KCTOGA » Wed Jul 05, 2017 1:50 pm

miz.jordan17 wrote:What could CFRG possibly be able to sue the developers/city for now?
Building the sidewalk to close to their ass? :evil:

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Post by hartliss » Wed Jul 05, 2017 2:16 pm

miz.jordan17 wrote:What could CFRG possibly be able to sue the developers/city for now?
Well, in today's society you can sue for just about anything...so it probably depends on who their lawyer is and what they think will create the most harm to the project. It is too bad as CFRG is anti- just about everything....

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Post by NorthOak » Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:48 pm

flyingember wrote:
NorthOak wrote:Don't forget that on the left of these (west) 3 towers there is going to be another blocky, glass, -23+ floor hotel that will complete the front "wall." I'm in no position to judge but I do hope the decision-makers keep all of these things in mind when planning Three and Four Light.
Four Light will have a half block gap in between it and Three Light.

It also will be turned 90 degrees.

So not exactly the same as a wall.
What the hell are you talking about?
It's exactly as I stated, a wall on the south side.

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Post by DaveKCMO » Wed Jul 05, 2017 8:59 pm

OMG A BUILDING WALL

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Post by earthling » Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:01 pm

^Each building with completely different materials/facades.

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Post by Critical_Mass » Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:03 pm

DaveKCMO wrote:OMG A BUILDING WALL

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I can't see my downtown behind all those high-rises!

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Re: OFFICIAL - Loews Convention Hotel (formerly Hyatt)

Post by earthling » Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:22 pm

^Dave helped make my point. Each building with different building materials/facades in Chicago vs what KC could end up with.... Potentially 4 buildings in a row with about same appearance. A monotone wall.

It's a subjective debate of aesthetics of course and some are just happy to get this amount of needed development so avoid being critical. Good having a healthy debate about what could happen than if nothing is said and developers do whatever is most cost effective for them. Two common compliments about KC's skyline are that it's mixed up and isn't boxy. It might not be too late to influence Three, Four Lights and Convention Hotel to have completely different external material/facades than Two Light as they could source different materials from other projects in other cities for economies of scale.

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Re: OFFICIAL - Loews Convention Hotel (formerly Hyatt)

Post by KCPowercat » Thu Jul 06, 2017 10:21 am

But how much did the glass cost in Dave's pic?

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