Amenities missing from downtown

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Re: Amenities missing from downtown

Postby DaveKCMO » Thu Dec 28, 2017 11:23 am

taxi wrote:
DaveKCMO wrote:not in the crossroads.

NIMBY!


yes! put it where the largest concentration of residents are: the CBD.

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Re: Amenities missing from downtown

Postby taxi » Thu Dec 28, 2017 1:28 pm

I was teasing and mostly agree with you, though I think the River Market would also be a good choice.

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Re: Amenities missing from downtown

Postby mgsports » Thu Dec 28, 2017 9:22 pm

Walmart,BAM,Fresh Thyme Market,Kansas Sampler,Here Today,Stage or Belk or Goody's Family Clothing,Meijer or so on.

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Re: Amenities missing from downtown

Postby swid » Thu Dec 28, 2017 9:46 pm

I can't even come up with a good joke to point out that Rally House == Kansas Sampler.

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Re: Amenities missing from downtown

Postby mean » Thu Dec 28, 2017 10:30 pm

I always thought Kansas Sampler was an appetizer with like bierock and Z-man sliders and a couple shots of Tallgrass.

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Re: Amenities missing from downtown

Postby tower » Fri Dec 29, 2017 7:58 pm

So I think just about everyone both here and on twitter wants a Target, but what do you want from a Target that we don't have now? Even if we don't get a Target, what other shops would fill the need?

I mostly go to Target now for kitchen supplies, home goods and consumable housewares: dish soap, laundry detergent, etc.

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Re: Amenities missing from downtown

Postby mykn » Fri Dec 29, 2017 11:17 pm

tower wrote:So I think just about everyone both here and on twitter wants a Target, but what do you want from a Target that we don't have now? Even if we don't get a Target, what other shops would fill the need?

I mostly go to Target now for kitchen supplies, home goods and consumable housewares: dish soap, laundry detergent, etc.


Home goods, some clothes, groceries, etc

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Re: Amenities missing from downtown

Postby KCPowercat » Sat Dec 30, 2017 4:03 am

tower wrote:So I think just about everyone both here and on twitter wants a Target, but what do you want from a Target that we don't have now? Even if we don't get a Target, what other shops would fill the need?

I mostly go to Target now for kitchen supplies, home goods and consumable housewares: dish soap, laundry detergent, etc.



pharmacies added to xroads and RM could take care of a lot of it but some clothing necessities would be nice. This could be filled by a Target or a Gap type store.

...and do we really need a target for consumables when amazon will deliver the same things within 12 hours to our doors?

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Re: Amenities missing from downtown

Postby DaveKCMO » Sat Dec 30, 2017 10:35 am

KCPowercat wrote:
tower wrote:...and do we really need a target for consumables when amazon will deliver the same things within 12 hours to our doors?


yes.

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Re: Amenities missing from downtown

Postby earthling » Sat Dec 30, 2017 11:16 am

Amazon same day delivery should be considered a tactical option, not a permanent solution for a comprehensive fully functioning downtown. Good option in the meantime.

Could a small urban Target fit into the old foodcourt in One KC Place? I think it's now used as conference room space. They have stores as small as 12K sqft, though over 30K would be more ideal (about size of Consentino's).

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Re: Amenities missing from downtown

Postby DaveKCMO » Sat Dec 30, 2017 11:18 am

earthling wrote:Could a small urban Target fit into the old foodcourt in One KC Place? I think it's now used as conference room space. They have stores as small as 12K sqft, though over 30K would be more ideal (about size of Consentino's).


or the existing food court inside city center square?

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Re: Amenities missing from downtown

Postby earthling » Sat Dec 30, 2017 11:21 am

^indeed!

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Re: Amenities missing from downtown

Postby horizons82 » Sat Dec 30, 2017 11:43 am

tower wrote:So I think just about everyone both here and on twitter wants a Target, but what do you want from a Target that we don't have now? Even if we don't get a Target, what other shops would fill the need?

I mostly go to Target now for kitchen supplies, home goods and consumable housewares: dish soap, laundry detergent, etc.


I think Target is emblematic to the public of a price point, a consistent-inventory chain store, that's missing from the urban core save for maybe the plaza.

Stores like Old Navy, Nike Factory, Marshalls, Petsmart, Best Buy, etc. Pretty much if they are at or were at one time at Ward Parkway, they should have a location in the core. :lol:

They're not bargain basement and they're not unique, but they offer durable & affordable goods, and a nation-wide network to boot.

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Re: Amenities missing from downtown

Postby KCPowercat » Sat Dec 30, 2017 12:37 pm

3 light is the logical choice for a target....new build that they can fit to the size Target or another similar store would want.

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Re: Amenities missing from downtown

Postby mgsports » Sun Dec 31, 2017 7:06 pm

Hy-Vee? Sun Fresh? Woods? Ramey Price Cutter? Big Lots?

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Re: Amenities missing from downtown

Postby tower » Tue Jan 02, 2018 11:55 am

horizons82 wrote:
tower wrote:So I think just about everyone both here and on twitter wants a Target, but what do you want from a Target that we don't have now? Even if we don't get a Target, what other shops would fill the need?

I mostly go to Target now for kitchen supplies, home goods and consumable housewares: dish soap, laundry detergent, etc.


I think Target is emblematic to the public of a price point, a consistent-inventory chain store, that's missing from the urban core save for maybe the plaza.

Stores like Old Navy, Nike Factory, Marshalls, Petsmart, Best Buy, etc. Pretty much if they are at or were at one time at Ward Parkway, they should have a location in the core. :lol:

They're not bargain basement and they're not unique, but they offer durable & affordable goods, and a nation-wide network to boot.


I think you're right. It will be hard to hit the right price point for many things without being a chain store, unfortunately. Consistent inventory is also a bit of an issue. I think a kitchen store could make it.

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Re: Amenities missing from downtown

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Re: Amenities missing from downtown

Postby earthling » Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:18 am

Glad to see the driving forces are on the same page with ideas discussed here.... Candidate locations for Target... Base of Three Light, One KC Place or City Center Square.

As far as the 'chains' concern, yeah, pursue chains in CBD Loop and keep them out of Xroads/River Market.

The significant increase of hotel rooms should also be pointed out when City pursues Target again, as well as general increase of downtown visitors.

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Re: Amenities missing from downtown

Postby flyingember » Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:42 am

With the streetcar and bus what difference does 12th vs 18th really make?

The current closest target is ~15 minutes from downtown so a department store placed anywhere downtown will be in the sphere of influence of all of downtown equally.

Consentino's is on 13th and people from the River Market and Crossroads certainly use it over other options.

We should aim for a store like Target in the best project for downtown possible, not select only 2-3 buildings it should go in.

Why couldn't target locate near 18th and Vine? Wouldn't that meet the goal of helping revitalize the east side while bringing a new amenity to reach of downtown? A 15 story tower in that neighborhood would be the project that could jumpstart that entire area.

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Re: Amenities missing from downtown

Postby grovester » Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:02 pm

flyingember wrote:With the streetcar and bus what difference does 12th vs 18th really make?

The current closest target is ~15 minutes from downtown so a department store placed anywhere downtown will be in the sphere of influence of all of downtown equally.

Consentino's is on 13th and people from the River Market and Crossroads certainly use it over other options.

We should aim for a store like Target in the best project for downtown possible, not select only 2-3 buildings it should go in.

Why couldn't target locate near 18th and Vine? Wouldn't that meet the goal of helping revitalize the east side while bringing a new amenity to reach of downtown? A 15 story tower in that neighborhood would be the project that could jumpstart that entire area.


Man that is one goofy post.


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