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Re: UMKC Conservatory of Music considers move to downtown

Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 6:02 pm
by Riverite
It could be mixed use the student clinic is part of the Whole Foods development on oak in south plaza

Re: UMKC Conservatory of Music considers move to downtown

Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:11 pm
by ldai_phs
Copaken has previously put up the idea of building student housing and an office tower next to the new campus. So a student housing mixed use addition is definently possible.

Re: UMKC Conservatory of Music considers move to downtown

Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:43 pm
by missingkc
Re: bigger and better. When first announced, the scope of the project was bigger than the Conservatory. It included other arts-related entities. Seems like the radio station, visual arts, maybe the theater program were being considered. They were supposed to be added in later stages. Maybe some of them are being shifted into the first stage of development.

Re: UMKC Conservatory of Music considers move to downtown

Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:41 pm
by DaveKCMO
missingkc wrote:Re: bigger and better. When first announced, the scope of the project was bigger than the Conservatory. It included other arts-related entities. Seems like the radio station, visual arts, maybe the theater program were being considered. They were supposed to be added in later stages. Maybe some of them are being shifted into the first stage of development.


curious if this is a reference to the physical size. the site is one square block and can't get taller (heigh recommendations) and the neighborhood agreed to the alley vacation in exchange for transparency through that vacated space, so the structure would have to go further underground -- again, assuming he's talking about physical size.

Re: UMKC Conservatory of Music considers move to downtown

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 12:54 pm
by tower
Why is this site height limited to only two stories? Its only a block away from the convention hotel, which will be 20+, and the Opus apartments will be 6. Maybe we don't want something towering over the Kauffman Center, but 5-6 stories would be in scale.

edit: I guess it is 4 on the south side, but still.

Re: UMKC Conservatory of Music considers move to downtown

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:54 pm
by DaveKCMO
tower wrote:Why is this site height limited to only two stories? Its only a block away from the convention hotel, which will be 20+, and the Opus apartments will be 6. Maybe we don't want something towering over the Kauffman Center, but 5-6 stories would be in scale.

edit: I guess it is 4 on the south side, but still.


protected view shed of kauffman to liberty memorial. don't blame me. i think height restrictions (or recommendations, in this case) are stupid. the terrain slopes pretty dramatically with each block south, which is partly why it's 2 stories at 17th, 4 at 18th, 6 at 19th, and 12 at 21st (arterra). the convention hotel is out of that view shed.

Re: UMKC Conservatory of Music considers move to downtown

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:47 pm
by tower
That is so stupid. The Kauffman is cool, but there is no reason you need to be able to see it from the liberty memorial. Just make whatever blocks it look better.

Anyhoo, looking at the pictures from the liberty memorial, it looks like the west third of the building wouldn't block Kauffman, so they could add a couple of floors there. Another option for a physically bigger project would be multiple buildings, like I know an earlier plan included. The Northwest and Southwest corners of the Broadway/17th intersection were included at one time, and there are surface lots across central street too that they might be able to get a hold of.

Re: UMKC Conservatory of Music considers move to downtown

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:56 pm
by grovester
Pretty sure it's the other way around, the patrons of the Kauffman don't want to lose their views.

It is pretty amazing at night and could easily get wiped out by some god awful structure at some point.

Re: UMKC Conservatory of Music considers move to downtown

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:02 pm
by KCPowercat
I have no problem with it, we need density anyways, not 40 story crossroad towers.

Re: UMKC Conservatory of Music considers move to downtown

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:28 pm
by FangKC
It's a recommendation. Depending on the situation, and sitting City Council at any given time, that height recommendation can disappear. If Cerner wanted to build several 40-story towers in the Crossroads at 20th and Grand, 20th and Oak, or Wyandotte and Southwest Boulevard, and bring thousands of new workers downtown, it would get approved.

Re: UMKC Conservatory of Music considers move to downtown

Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 11:39 pm
by DaveKCMO
FangKC wrote:It's a recommendation. Depending on the situation, and sitting City Council at any given time, that height recommendation can disappear. If Cerner wanted to build several 40-story towers in the Crossroads at 20th and Grand, 20th and Oak, or Wyandotte and Southwest Boulevard, and bring thousands of new workers downtown, it would get approved.


yes and no. the area plan provides a process for exceptions (height study, etc -- used once or twice, notably arterra). there have been few modifications to GDAP, much fewer than midtown area plan despite having been on the books for much longer. CPC would get the first stab at review -- after staff, of course -- and there's no indication they would approve something out of character with the western part of the neighborhood. east is a different story where things have quickly accumulated in matt abbott's favor (but he doesn't really do tall).

the cerner example is 100% hypothetical and no other entity has the power to push the city like that (except maybe amazon...).