UMKC Conservatory of Music considers move to downtown

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Re: UMKC Conservatory of Music considers move to downtown

Post by TheLastGentleman » Fri Jun 01, 2018 12:32 pm

GRID wrote:^ there is more to it than that. From an urban planning perspective it's not a good location.
Could you elaborate?

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Re: UMKC Conservatory of Music considers move to downtown

Post by anonkcmo » Fri Jun 01, 2018 3:27 pm

flyingember wrote:
Putting a music and theater teaching facility across the street from the Music Hall, two blocks from the Performing Arts Center, caddy corner from the Foley Theater one direction and caddy corner from the Midland Theater another direction is a horrible location? There's almost no better location for them to share facilities.

It would be on the E-W bus spine and two blocks from the streetcar, two blocks closer than the spot on Broadway they were looking at (three blocks E, one block S to 19th stop)
So at least we agree we are talking about a few blocks to each of these amenities.
The distance to the Folly and Midland don't offer any better synergy that 17th & Broadway would to these locations.

Being next to the PAC, and nearer to the Ballet, Crossroads galleries and restaurants/clubs is what I'm talking about.
BAP is a dead zone, always has been. The 17th & Broadway location gives them a higher visibility and profile which is really what UMKC wants in a downtown location. They want the visibility and vibe of the Crossroads and the arts in general to attract the best and brightest.

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Re: UMKC Conservatory of Music considers move to downtown

Post by moderne » Fri Jun 01, 2018 4:49 pm

Not to be picky but there is no PAC in KC. There are PACs in other cities such as Tulsa but we have the Kauffman Center for the Performing Arts so it would be the KCPA or, if you wish, a CPA.

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Re: UMKC Conservatory of Music considers move to downtown

Post by normalthings » Fri Jun 01, 2018 5:27 pm

Your comment is entirely being nit picky

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Re: UMKC Conservatory of Music considers move to downtown

Post by missingkc » Fri Jun 01, 2018 6:21 pm

Another location factor: all the downtown campus students will have to take classes at the main campus. With that in mind, south Crossroads would be more convenient than BAP.

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Re: UMKC Conservatory of Music considers move to downtown

Post by normalthings » Fri Jun 01, 2018 6:50 pm

missingkc wrote:Another location factor: all the downtown campus students will have to take classes at the main campus. With that in mind, south Crossroads would be more convenient than BAP.
Proximity to bus stops and/or the streetcar should be a top concern.

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Re: UMKC Conservatory of Music considers move to downtown

Post by grovester » Fri Jun 01, 2018 7:20 pm

ldai_phs wrote:Your comment is entirely being nit picky
Kind of like complaining about the color of the streetcar.

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Re: UMKC Conservatory of Music considers move to downtown

Post by normalthings » Fri Jun 01, 2018 9:48 pm

grovester wrote:
ldai_phs wrote:Your comment is entirely being nit picky
Kind of like complaining about the color of the streetcar.
I would say complimenting the new party car’s colors over grey is a bit different than correcting people’s acronym usage.

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Re: UMKC Conservatory of Music considers move to downtown

Post by grovester » Fri Jun 01, 2018 10:18 pm

Ha!

"the grey streetcars are ugly"

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Re: UMKC Conservatory of Music considers move to downtown

Post by im2kull » Fri Jun 01, 2018 10:37 pm

KC_JAYHAWK wrote:Why not just build the 3rd and smallest building of the PAC like it was originally planned?
Now there's a good idea.

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Re: UMKC Conservatory of Music considers move to downtown

Post by wahoowa » Sat Jun 02, 2018 12:10 am

i saw a weinermobile going south on main the other day from afar and thought the new streetcar had arrived until i was about 3 blocks away. this is super unrelated to this entire thread but a weinerstreetcar would i assume bring in the big $pon$or$hip buck$$$, food for thought mr. mayor @im2kull

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Re: UMKC Conservatory of Music considers move to downtown

Post by shinatoo » Sat Jun 02, 2018 10:03 am

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Re: UMKC Conservatory of Music considers move to downtown

Post by normalthings » Sat Jun 02, 2018 1:54 pm

The additions would obviously need to be stretched to the east to add class rooms and offices, but I think that it would be the best looking option. The materials that would need to be used would be expensive though so a big donor like the Kauffmans would need to step up again. Does anyone know the specifics of the arts campus? Like soft,number of rooms, etc? I know they wanted like an auditorium or such

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Re: UMKC Conservatory of Music considers move to downtown

Post by KCtoBrooklyn » Sat Jun 02, 2018 3:09 pm

I can't imagine how even an expanded version of the 3rd shell could fill all the needs of the Conservatory, even without including the theater department.

If the original campus location were used, the 3rd shell could be a nice additional amenity, but I would think the extra expense might be prohibitive.

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Re: UMKC Conservatory of Music considers move to downtown

Post by flyingember » Sat Jun 02, 2018 4:12 pm

KCtoBrooklyn wrote:I can't imagine how even an expanded version of the 3rd shell could fill all the needs of the Conservatory, even without including the theater department.

If the original campus location were used, the 3rd shell could be a nice additional amenity, but I would think the extra expense might be prohibitive.
Somewhere in the realm of $125-150 million.

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Re: UMKC Conservatory of Music considers move to downtown

Post by KCTOGA » Sat Jun 02, 2018 5:16 pm

Is the lot strait East of the PAC not available? North of parking garage.

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Re: UMKC Conservatory of Music considers move to downtown

Post by TheLastGentleman » Sat Jun 02, 2018 6:27 pm

When in the process did they scrap the 3rd shell? It would be cool to see the original plan executed

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Re: UMKC Conservatory of Music considers move to downtown

Post by shinatoo » Sat Jun 02, 2018 7:09 pm

TheLastGentleman wrote:When in the process did they scrap the 3rd shell? It would be cool to see the original plan executed
When the cost of the two shells hit 450 mi. The original budget was in the 375 range.
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Re: UMKC Conservatory of Music considers move to downtown

Post by normalthings » Sun Jun 03, 2018 2:02 am

KCTOGA wrote:Is the lot strait East of the PAC not available? North of parking garage.
It’s going to be a couple hundred unit hotel I believe

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Re: UMKC Conservatory of Music considers move to downtown

Post by moderne » Sun Jun 03, 2018 11:04 am

The lot that was originally planned for the KC Ballet that already had a design by Safdie?

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