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Kansas City GO Bond

Postby miz.jordan17 » Mon Jul 18, 2016 4:48 pm

Is there a place to see what items might be included, other than infrastructure, in the bond?

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Re: Kansas City GO Bond

Postby flyingember » Mon Jul 18, 2016 6:14 pm

I don't think it's been defined yet what the bond will cover. Will need to wait.

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Re: Kansas City GO Bond

Postby grovester » Mon Jul 18, 2016 7:04 pm

I heard aquariums.

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Re: Kansas City GO Bond

Postby DaveKCMO » Mon Jul 18, 2016 8:13 pm

a few things have been promoted by various city officials (not much in the media, so you'd have to be listening to lots of neighborhood and city-level discussions):

- new broadway bridge (mayor/city manager?)
- prospect MAX local funding for capital cost (reed, previously "committed" by council resolution but not from this exact source)
- major sidewalk investment (wagner)
- aquarium (canady)
- major roads investment (shields)

but there appears to be no consensus yet, other than an april 2016 ballot. i've heard totals in the $250-300 million range. some wanted more (upwards of $1 billion), but since a property tax increase is required that appears to have come down quite a bit.

staff probably started with trying to attack some low citizen satisfaction results -- roads, sidewalks, and transit remain stubbornly low for obvious reasons -- but clearly special interests are lining up.

who the hell wants a second aquarium? (rhetorical question)

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Re: Kansas City GO Bond

Postby grovester » Mon Jul 18, 2016 8:40 pm

They smell cash in the water.

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Re: Kansas City GO Bond

Postby DaveKCMO » Mon Jul 18, 2016 8:42 pm

what does KCRAG think we should spend the debt money on?

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Re: Kansas City GO Bond

Postby grovester » Mon Jul 18, 2016 8:43 pm

Broadway Bridge for sure.

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Re: Kansas City GO Bond

Postby chingon » Mon Jul 18, 2016 9:18 pm

Replanting all the wasted lawngrass no-man's-land's we mow with an ecological and fiscally sane alternative.

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Re: Kansas City GO Bond

Postby DaveKCMO » Mon Jul 18, 2016 9:25 pm

grovester wrote:Broadway Bridge for sure.


how would you sell that to the 5th and 6th districts?

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Re: Kansas City GO Bond

Postby KCPowercat » Mon Jul 18, 2016 9:36 pm

DaveKCMO wrote:what does KCRAG think we should spend the debt money on?


I kind of thought GO bonds were only designed for infrastructure type things but then I read aquarium which gets me thinking, is anything off limits?

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Re: Kansas City GO Bond

Postby KCPowercat » Mon Jul 18, 2016 9:37 pm

- new broadway bridge (mayor/city manager?) INITIALLY I SAY NO BUT HAVE TO HEAR WHAT MODOT WOULD ADD TO THE POT
- prospect MAX local funding for capital cost (reed, previously "committed" by council resolution but not from this exact source) MEH
- major sidewalk investment (wagner) YES
- aquarium (canady) NO
- major roads investment (shields) MEH

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Re: Kansas City GO Bond

Postby JBmidtown » Mon Jul 18, 2016 9:38 pm

Space elevator

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Re: Kansas City GO Bond

Postby Eon Blue » Tue Jul 19, 2016 8:17 am

"- major roads investment (shields)"

Natch.
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Re: Kansas City GO Bond

Postby flyingember » Tue Jul 19, 2016 8:18 am

DaveKCMO wrote:what does KCRAG think we should spend the debt money on?

go through and find all the short sections of things that would improve the entire network. like N. Oak between 29 and NKC has a LOT of disconnected sidewalks where they stop before the street. downtown has a lot of sections of sidewalk where replacing 2-3 squares every few blocks and finishing a few curb cuts would make a nice street to walk on for a mile. Rather than doing single big street projects where one street gets workeed on for several miles pick off these little piddly items on major corridors that take a lot of time to get done otherwise.

curb no parking zone painting downtown. would be nice to actually let people see they can't park there beyond a sign. it's hard to say you don't know that's no parking, the sign is confusing, if your car is half overlapping yellow paint. We used to have this and it works quite well for basic traffic control.

implement disabled spots downtown more places. Like go down the streetcar corridor and you're not going to find free spots on street for disabled vehicles only easily except on Delaware. a handful of closest spots to every train stop should be for disabled individuals only. this is a problem across downtown in general. Giving up some of the best spots to the people the least capable of moving a long distance makes sense.

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Re: Kansas City GO Bond

Postby Eon Blue » Tue Jul 19, 2016 8:26 am

DaveKCMO wrote:what does KCRAG think we should spend the debt money on?


- close sidewalk gaps (all districts)
- add sidewalks to neighborhoods currently lacking (most districts)
- major buildout of bike network (3rd & 4th)
- New Broadway Bridge/decommission North Loop (1st, 2nd, 4th)
- Reconstruction & road diet of arterials in depopulated neighborhoods (3rd, 4th, 5th)
- Streetscape work on other arterials (3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th)
- Transit capital improvements such as superstops, improved stops, make sure Northland stops don't drop you off in a ditch (all districts)
- Streetcar expansion (4th district)

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Re: Kansas City GO Bond

Postby pash » Tue Jul 19, 2016 8:50 am

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Re: Kansas City GO Bond

Postby grovester » Tue Jul 19, 2016 11:20 am

DaveKCMO wrote:
grovester wrote:Broadway Bridge for sure.


how would you sell that to the 5th and 6th districts?


By telling them it will be good for the city as a whole.&

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Re: Kansas City GO Bond

Postby taxi » Tue Jul 19, 2016 11:29 am

flyingember wrote:
DaveKCMO wrote:what does KCRAG think we should spend the debt money on?

implement disabled spots downtown more places. Like go down the streetcar corridor and you're not going to find free spots on street for disabled vehicles only easily except on Delaware. a handful of closest spots to every train stop should be for disabled individuals only. this is a problem across downtown in general. Giving up some of the best spots to the people the least capable of moving a long distance makes sense.

My vehicle is often disabled. I generally just leave it wherever it dies, or try myself to get it running again or get my girlfriend to push it home. I'm sure she'd be happy if there were more spots available for disabled vehicles, because then she could just push it to one of those spots and not have to get it all the way home. Luck for her, though, I live near the river so it's almost always mostly downhill.

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Re: Kansas City GO Bond

Postby kboish » Wed Jul 20, 2016 9:14 am

I hope the focus of this GO Bond is on streets, sidewalks, bridges.

Specific projects?

How about fixing southwest trafficway, Westport road (west of the trafficway), and in general fix the intersection of westport and southwest trafficway.

Broadway Bridge replacement is ok to me (I'd also be open to putting a toll on it to maintain it, but that will never happen).

I also think investment in public transit downtown should be done. It could be stop improvements, helping implement making grand, grand, etc.

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Re: Kansas City GO Bond

Postby SWFan » Thu Jul 21, 2016 1:04 pm

DaveKCMO wrote:
grovester wrote:Broadway Bridge for sure.


how would you sell that to the 5th and 6th districts?


A new bridge means it will be easier for them to get to their private planes at the downtown airport. ;-)


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