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ok, I just read the article.

He's saying that will be the population in 2025.

"What will Kansas City look like in 2025? Something like this "

It’s the year 2025 and, wow, look at how Kansas City has changed for the better over the last decade.

The new Kansas City International Airport terminal just opened to rave reviews because of its convenient layout and modern passenger amenities.

▪ The streetcar extension to the County Club Plaza is carrying even more people than forecast.

▪ Supporters have rolled out drawings of a new downtown baseball stadium for the Royals, preparing for when the Truman Sports Complex leases expire in six years.


▪ Johnson County residents this year finally joined those in Jackson and Clay counties in paying a small sales tax to help operate the Kansas City Zoo. It’s on pace to draw more than 1.2 million visitors this year vs. 900,000 in 2015.

▪ Thanks to growth downtown as well as in the Northland, Kansas City’s total population recently passed 490,000 people. That’s a healthy gain over the 460,000 in the 2010 census.

the airport hasn't been built, we don't have a streetcar to the plaza, we don't have a downtown baseball stadium, JoCo doesn't have a zoo tax. So what makes you think that's the population right now?

No, you're reading it wrong - he's pretending it's 2025 and trying to guess what the city will look like in 10 years. I can't believe someone gets paid to write that kind of crap, especially someone who seems so out of touch with the urban community.

earthling wrote:Yael says KCMO hit 490K population... any source on that?

Thanks to growth downtown as well as in the Northland, Kansas City’s total population recently passed 490,000 people. That’s a healthy gain over the 460,000 in the 2010 census.

http://www.kansascity.com/opinion/opn-c ... 09790.html

Last Census.gov estimate for 2014 was 470K, 20K adds in one year doesn't sound right...
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/29/2938000.html

The title of that opinion piece is "What will KC look like in 2025?"

Hah, I didn't catch the context. That's what happens when skimming it too quickly (easy to do with Yael) and before morning coffee. The past tense wording threw me off.

Given KCMO has shown it can grow 3500 in one year, 35K adds in 10 years is plausible, especially as KCMO seems to be gaining a bit more momentum.

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^See post above yours.

Found a Census sheet that shows migration flow for KC metro from 2009-2013...

https://www.census.gov/hhes/migration/f ... -2013.xlsx

Outside Metro Area within U.S. or Puerto Rico 16,996
Lawrence, KS Metro Area 3,655
St. Louis, MO-IL Metro Area 3,329
Springfield, MO Metro Area 2,053
Wichita, KS Metro Area 1,896
Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington, TX Metro Area 1,840
St. Joseph, MO-KS Metro Area 1,677
Topeka, KS Metro Area 1,563
Columbia, MO Metro Area 1,450
New York-Newark-Jersey City, NY-NJ-PA Metro Area 1,397
Chicago-Naperville-Elgin, IL-IN-WI Metro Area 1,296
Omaha-Council Bluffs, NE-IA Metro Area 1,191
Los Angeles-Long Beach-Anaheim, CA Metro Area 1,106
Phoenix-Mesa-Scottsdale, AZ Metro Area 1,103
Manhattan, KS Metro Area 1,098
Denver-Aurora-Lakewood, CO Metro Area 1,023
Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV Metro Area 903
Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Roswell, GA Metro Area 704
Houston-The Woodlands-Sugar Land, TX Metro Area 681
Oklahoma City, OK Metro Area 641
Seattle-Tacoma-Bellevue, WA Metro Area 541
San Diego-Carlsbad, CA Metro Area 536
Jefferson City, MO Metro Area 533
Minneapolis-St. Paul-Bloomington, MN-WI Metro Area 495
Clarksville, TN-KY Metro Area 472
Philadelphia-Camden-Wilmington, PA-NJ-DE-MD Metro Area 464
Des Moines-West Des Moines, IA Metro Area 463
Joplin, MO Metro Area 455
Salt Lake City, UT Metro Area 455
Colorado Springs, CO Metro Area 434
Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario, CA Metro Area 416
Las Vegas-Henderson-Paradise, NV Metro Area 412
San Antonio-New Braunfels, TX Metro Area 403
Miami-Fort Lauderdale-West Palm Beach, FL Metro Area 394
Cincinnati, OH-KY-IN Metro Area 377
Anchorage, AK Metro Area 366
New Orleans-Metairie, LA Metro Area 364
Tucson, AZ Metro Area 360
Lincoln, NE Metro Area 349
Austin-Round Rock, TX Metro Area 336
Baltimore-Columbia-Towson, MD Metro Area 315
Elizabethtown-Fort Knox, KY Metro Area 296
Nashville-Davidson--Murfreesboro--Franklin, TN Metro Area 295
Orlando-Kissimmee-Sanford, FL Metro Area 285
Boston-Cambridge-Newton, MA-NH Metro Area 283
Urban Honolulu, HI Metro Area 283
Detroit-Warren-Dearborn, MI Metro Area 277
Bakersfield, CA Metro Area 275
Virginia Beach-Norfolk-Newport News, VA-NC Metro Area 274
Memphis, TN-MS-AR Metro Area 256
El Paso, TX Metro Area 246
Grand Rapids-Wyoming, MI Metro Area 246
Portland-Vancouver-Hillsboro, OR-WA Metro Area 246
Little Rock-North Little Rock-Conway, AR Metro Area 241
San Francisco-Oakland-Hayward, CA Metro Area 238
Tulsa, OK Metro Area 237
Charlotte-Concord-Gastonia, NC-SC Metro Area 236
Cape Girardeau, MO-IL Metro Area 214
Louisville/Jefferson County, KY-IN Metro Area 213
Sacramento--Roseville--Arden-Arcade, CA Metro Area 209
Augusta-Richmond County, GA-SC Metro Area 202
Hickory-Lenoir-Morganton, NC Metro Area 202
Reno, NV Metro Area 198
North Port-Sarasota-Bradenton, FL Metro Area 192
Fayetteville-Springdale-Rogers, AR-MO Metro Area 191
Gulfport-Biloxi-Pascagoula, MS Metro Area 190
Fayetteville, NC Metro Area 187
Yuma, AZ Metro Area 183
Buffalo-Cheektowaga-Niagara Falls, NY Metro Area 173
Raleigh, NC Metro Area 172
Beaumont-Port Arthur, TX Metro Area 170
Columbus, GA-AL Metro Area 165
Indianapolis-Carmel-Anderson, IN Metro Area 160
Fort Collins, CO Metro Area 159
Cape Coral-Fort Myers, FL Metro Area 157
Lake Havasu City-Kingman, AZ Metro Area 157
Tampa-St. Petersburg-Clearwater, FL Metro Area 157
Trenton, NJ Metro Area 154
Milwaukee-Waukesha-West Allis, WI Metro Area 153
Jacksonville, FL Metro Area 151
Columbus, OH Metro Area 146
Athens-Clarke County, GA Metro Area 144
Davenport-Moline-Rock Island, IA-IL Metro Area 144
San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara, CA Metro Area 140
Pittsburgh, PA Metro Area 139
Springfield, IL Metro Area 138
Jackson, MS Metro Area 137
Sioux City, IA-NE-SD Metro Area 130
Providence-Warwick, RI-MA Metro Area 124
Fargo, ND-MN Metro Area 123
Albuquerque, NM Metro Area 121
New Bern, NC Metro Area 119
Olympia-Tumwater, WA Metro Area 119
Peoria, IL Metro Area 118
Niles-Benton Harbor, MI Metro Area 117
Waterloo-Cedar Falls, IA Metro Area 111
Columbia, SC Metro Area 108
Janesville-Beloit, WI Metro Area 108
Killeen-Temple, TX Metro Area 108
Lansing-East Lansing, MI Metro Area 108
Jacksonville, NC Metro Area 105
Huntington-Ashland, WV-KY-OH Metro Area 103
Madison, WI Metro Area 103
Flint, MI Metro Area 101
Knoxville, TN Metro Area 101

This shows by county...
http://flowsmapper.geo.census.gov/map.html

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these aren't net migration numbers, are they?

They are not net, I think they are simply flow in both directions, not a +/- net. It might be inflow from those markets into KC but doesn't seem to line up with other stats.

Yael T. Abouhalkah: Upbeat census figures unveiled for Kansas City area — but not St. Louis

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But look at the newly released figures that measure population changes from between the 2010 census and July 1, 2015:

▪ Jackson, Clay, Platte and Cass counties gained 36,062 people in that five-year stretch — slightly more than the 35,980 added in Johnson County.

▪ Platte was the fastest growing county in the area with a 7.6 percent growth rate. Johnson County was second at 6.6 percent, and Clay was third at 6.2 percent.

It’s more evident than ever that the longtime rush of growth to the southwest side of our region is being counter-balanced by strong growth in the Northland, especially in Platte and Clay counties.

▪ Meanwhile, Jackson County easily remained the area’s largest county with 687,623 people. Johnson County is next at 580,159. Jackson County added almost 13,400 residents despite the continued losses on Kansas City’s East Side. The surge of added population in downtown Kansas City helped stabilize the county’s population, as did continued growth in Lee’s Summit.

▪ And the surprising turnaround goes on in Wyandotte County, which was up by almost 6,000 people by mid-2015. That follows years of decline in the county. Most population gains have come in its western parts.

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Kansas City has strongly boosted its population, growing from 459,787 in 2010 to 470,800 by mid-2014.

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http://www.kansascity.com/opinion/opn-c ... 70162.html

The MO side of metro has also been carrying the weight of job growth lately. And Jackson county picking up steam too.

From Jan 2015 to 2016, MO side employment grew by 2.6% while KS side grew only by 1.2% compared to 1.9% US avg.

Jackson county also improved raw unemployed # by 28% over a year, US avg being 12.5% improvement. KC metro as a whole improved unemployed by 25%.

County - 1yr Employment Growth - % Growth
Kansas City, Mo.-Ks. MSA 22577 2.3
Johnson, Ks. 5491 1.7
Leavenworth, Ks. 185 0.9
Linn, Ks. -65 -3.1
Miami, Ks. 132 1.6
Wyandotte, Ks. 2138 2.4
Bates, Mo. 48 1.3
Caldwell, Mo. 72 4.5
Cass, Mo. 1186 4.8
Clay, Mo. 3990 4.2
Clinton, Mo. 47 1.2
Jackson, Mo. 8788 2.5
Lafayette, Mo. 150 1.7
Platte, Mo. 121 0.3
Ray, Mo. 294 7.3

Many MO counties are above metro avg % growth. All KS counties (except WyCo) are below metro avg.

http://www.bls.gov/regions/mountain-pla ... _table.htm



STL county and city also improving unemployed better than US avg, though metro as a whole just below US avg...

http://www.bls.gov/regions/mountain-pla ... _table.htm

KC metro net wages ($12.1B) are relatively high compared to STL ($15.4B) given STL metro is nearly 30% larger. STL net wages only about 23% more.

But overall MO/KS at state level well behind national avg and neither KC/STL keeping up with hot markets.

3990 jobs in Clay is probably mostly Ford

FangKC wrote:Yael T. Abouhalkah: Upbeat census figures unveiled for Kansas City area — but not St. Louis

What a fucking sad troll that guy is. Just a fucking hack, maybe a half step above Tony's KC. Maybe he should do an article about the Star's circulation versus the StL P-D's.

I can't wait for that paper to fold.

He has been particularly loathsome of late.

grovester wrote:He has been particularly loathsome of late.

He's now the head dude in charge of editorialoscopies.

2015 KC metro population estimate at 2,087,471 up from 2,071,283 in 2014, or 16K growth in 1 year.
2015 STL metro at 2,811,588 up from 2,806,191 in 2014, or 5.4K growth in 1 yr.
http://factfinder2.census.gov/bkmk/tabl ... NNR.US24PR

KC metro not growing at same rate as in late 90s, when it was over 20K/year. KC metro should hit over 2.1M sometime this year.

For consolidated area, including KC, St Joe, Lawrence, (not Topeka), KC CSA is now at 2,428,362.
http://factfinder2.census.gov/bkmk/tabl ... NNR.US41PR

The 2015 migration data is out from TAMU...

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