Do you have or plan to get Google Fiber?

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Do you have or plan to get Google Fiber?

Currently have Google Fiber - 'free' 5M service
12
14%
Currently have Google Fiber - 100M or 1 Gigabit service only
17
20%
Currently have Google Fiber - TV + 1 Gigabit service
36
41%
Am in a deployed Google Fiber area but sticking with current or moving to other ISP
1
1%
Am in a planned area, intend to get Google Fiber
9
10%
Am in a planned area, sticking with current ISP
1
1%
None of the above/something else
11
13%
 
Total votes: 87

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Re: Do you have or plan to get Google Fiber?

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KCMax wrote:I'm on the fence. $70 would be about $12 more than I'm paying now for internet, and I don't have or want cable.

My biggest complaint with ATT is that they throttle service in the evenings. We never have a problem streaming movies during the day, but when we want to watch shows at 8pm, without fail, we get spotty service. Does Google avoid such issues? I would consider paying $70 for more consistent service.
Google Fiber is basically just as fast at prime time as any other time, I still get near a Gbit. Google also gave Netflix a direct connection so that it performs well at prime time. Sometimes the problem could be the site your connecting to is busy at prime time. Or the botteneck is between the ISP and video service, which so far hasn't been an issue with Google.

See second post, tests are taken during prime time...
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r294025 ... erformance

Overland Park says AT&T will rollout Gigabit (GigaPower) and ATT says maybe to other parts of KC, but it might only be new developments or where they already have fiber. However the way ATT designed the network, a neighborhood shares 2.5 gbit. Google's is apparently designed to give everyone near a Gbit no matter the neighborhood load. An net engineer that works with Google told me 800M lowest under worst case scenario.

If you are a light Internet user, Google's 'free' 5M service might be enough. Netflix 1080 HD works even while doing light browsing but not great if doing a lot of downloading. The 5M latency is also very low, same as gigabit. Can always upgrade later if not enough.
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earthling wrote: If you are a light Internet user, Google's 'free' 5M service might be enough. Netflix 1080 HD works even while doing light browsing but not great if doing a lot of downloading. The 5M latency is also very low, same as gigabit. Can always upgrade later if not enough.
the low latency will actually help light users more than bandwidth. with a lot of really small files for a website the quicker you can flip tcp connections the better

5mbit is fine for 95% of the internet. streaming video (netflix, youtube, skype video) just happens to be be disproportionately used compared to how much is out there
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^Yeah, lower latency (ping time) will speed up browsing once you have a few Mbps. The 5M service can be as low as 1-2ms locally whereas other ISPs can be 10-15ms or higher.

On Netflix, here is a test that shows how well your ISP can support Netflix. Older devices and win7/tablets can do 3000Kbps (3Mbps) max and newer devices can do up to 5800K (5.8M). On Google's 'free' 5M, it can support 4.3M Netflix streams, where 1080HD starts for Netflix.

http://www.netflix.com/WiMovie/70136810?trkid=439131
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Good to know, thanks for the info.
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We pre-signed up. GF conduit installers have been in our neighborhood going back to late March. GF reps came to one of our HOA board meetings and indicated actual fiber installations would likely be close to the end of the year. I was hoping for September, but likely much later than that.

I currently pay for 50mbps from TWC that is about $8/mo less than 1gbit from Google. I'm actually more excited about having upload speeds, currently TWC has me on 5mbps uploads. I do quite a bit of cloud storage and back ups and uploads are horribly slow on TWC.
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Google claims they'll have everyone registered in KCMO completed by end of year and then open up registrations again. TWC says 300/20 is coming 'soon' but no date yet. TWC upgraded my building to allow for it but is just 100/5 right now. Most everyone going GFiber anyway.

The upload speed is nice, especially if you connect into work and send files a lot as I do - is essentially like being in office. If using a VoIP service like Oooma/Majcjack, the lower latency and higher uplink also keeps voice quality high even if transferring files on a call. Google Drive does 200-300Mbps up/down. Dropbox does about 200 down but only 5 up. Not sure about other services. I imagine as uplink is boosted across many ISPs, other services will start to cater to higher uplink.

Has anyone tried Google for Internet and other for TV? Haven't compared yet if TWC TV with Google 5M is worth it for some, am guessing not.
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The customer service experience alone is worth the switch to Google from TWC, not to mention the fact that I have had zero need to reboot the box or modem (almost a weekly experience with TWC). In fact, during a storm we lost Google Fiber tv for a couple of hours and Google reached out to US to tell us they were adjusting our bill and didn't want us to have to pay for service we didn't receive.
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earthling wrote: Has anyone tried Google for Internet and other for TV? Haven't compared yet if TWC TV with Google 5M is worth it for some, am guessing not.
I don't see the numbers working for that. TWC TV is expensive enough that you might as well get the whole Google package, especially as they stop having major differences in channels.

now satellite + free internet could be a different equation.
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^Can be doable for some who get free 5M in multi-unit buildings anyway (the building owner/condo assoc pays for install). Someone in my building is doing TWC basic cable with Google's free 5M, doesn't appear common though.

So the poll sample is still small, only about 50, but only 1 person is staying with other ISP in a GFiber area so far.
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KCMax wrote:I'm on the fence. $70 would be about $12 more than I'm paying now for internet, and I don't have or want cable.
Think of it as $12 more for unthrottled and no monthly download caps.
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earthling wrote:
KCMax wrote:I'm on the fence. $70 would be about $12 more than I'm paying now for internet, and I don't have or want cable.
Think of it as $12 more for unthrottled and no monthly download caps.
the real question is if that $12 is a promo price they have or if it's permament

my time warner was $20 less two years ago
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If it helps make up your mind, I had an appraiser tell me he was valuing a fiber connection at +$5k.
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LenexatoKCMO wrote:If it helps make up your mind, I had an appraiser tell me he was valuing a fiber connection at +$5k.
I think that's EXTREMELY optimistic and should be taken with a grain of salt. The jury is still out on property values and how they relate to Fiber.

I have and love the service and hope that estimate is true. I just don't think it is.

http://www.kshb.com/news/local-news/how ... -your-home
http://siliconprairienews.com/2014/04/t ... out-fiber/
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LenexatoKCMO wrote: I think that's EXTREMELY optimistic and should be taken with a grain of salt. The jury is still out on property values and how they relate to Fiber.
My home will have Time Warner, AT&T and Google hookups. I'm a 2 minute walk from the bus and a 10 minute drive to downtown. I'm served by one of the best school districts with a quality elementary school. The neighborhood has tons of trees and it's quiet. There's grocery nearby with transit service or a short drive. It's close to not one but four major freeways.

Google by itself won't do much. The condition of the home will do more.

But there are people only buying homes with Google hookups. So until they go general open signups, and they will, when you have two homes of equal utility and value right now the Google Fiber one will sell quicker and potentially without conditions like paying for closing costs, extra projects and such.

It's about having that item checked off.
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Dude with pasta chips rather excited to get his GF fix...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNqX6t3 ... e=youtu.be
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Am working on gathering information comparing ISPs and could use some help comparing Google Fiber to other ISPs in KC, specifically the latency to the coasts compared to Google Fiber from KC. This is only for those NOT on Google Fiber, I already have results on Google Fiber.

If you'd like to help please run these tests from a hardwired computer not using WiFi.

Please post which ISP you are using (TimeWarner, ATT, Comcast, etc) and what level of service (5, 20Mbps, etc). If you already have Google Fiber, I don't need help with that as I have results. Ideally run these tests when there is not other consistent activity on your network, like Netflix active.

Please run these commands from a hardwired computer, not using WiFi and then paste the results in this thread or PM them to me....
ping 173.167.58.141
ping 184.105.222.161
ping 154.54.80.86
ping 192.119.17.146

For Windows computers, to get to a command line go to Start menu and type 'cmd', then paste the above ping commands in command window. For Mac/Linux, open the 'Terminal' app.

Thanks in advance for those who participate.
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I have Time Warner for the moment(the Google fiber is currently being installed in my neighborhood). Here are the ping results from my connection:

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jon@slackmac64:~$ ping 173.167.58.141
PING 173.167.58.141 (173.167.58.141) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 173.167.58.141: icmp_req=1 ttl=244 time=70.2 ms
64 bytes from 173.167.58.141: icmp_req=2 ttl=244 time=68.5 ms
64 bytes from 173.167.58.141: icmp_req=3 ttl=244 time=72.7 ms
64 bytes from 173.167.58.141: icmp_req=4 ttl=244 time=70.3 ms
64 bytes from 173.167.58.141: icmp_req=5 ttl=244 time=71.7 ms
64 bytes from 173.167.58.141: icmp_req=6 ttl=244 time=71.2 ms
^C
--- 173.167.58.141 ping statistics ---
6 packets transmitted, 6 received, 0% packet loss, time 5004ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 68.536/70.789/72.712/1.341 ms
jon@slackmac64:~$ ping 184.105.222.161
PING 184.105.222.161 (184.105.222.161) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 184.105.222.161: icmp_req=1 ttl=55 time=62.8 ms
64 bytes from 184.105.222.161: icmp_req=2 ttl=55 time=62.0 ms
64 bytes from 184.105.222.161: icmp_req=3 ttl=55 time=62.3 ms
64 bytes from 184.105.222.161: icmp_req=4 ttl=55 time=63.1 ms
64 bytes from 184.105.222.161: icmp_req=5 ttl=55 time=64.1 ms
64 bytes from 184.105.222.161: icmp_req=6 ttl=55 time=62.9 ms
64 bytes from 184.105.222.161: icmp_req=7 ttl=55 time=60.9 ms
^C
--- 184.105.222.161 ping statistics ---
7 packets transmitted, 7 received, 0% packet loss, time 6006ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 60.975/62.626/64.157/0.928 ms
jon@slackmac64:~$ ping 154.54.80.86
PING 154.54.80.86 (154.54.80.86) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 154.54.80.86: icmp_req=1 ttl=242 time=75.9 ms
64 bytes from 154.54.80.86: icmp_req=2 ttl=242 time=64.7 ms
64 bytes from 154.54.80.86: icmp_req=3 ttl=242 time=66.9 ms
64 bytes from 154.54.80.86: icmp_req=4 ttl=242 time=64.9 ms
64 bytes from 154.54.80.86: icmp_req=5 ttl=242 time=207 ms
64 bytes from 154.54.80.86: icmp_req=6 ttl=242 time=119 ms
^C
--- 154.54.80.86 ping statistics ---
6 packets transmitted, 6 received, 0% packet loss, time 5006ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 64.796/99.920/207.905/51.875 ms
jon@slackmac64:~$ ping 192.119.17.146
PING 192.119.17.146 (192.119.17.146) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 192.119.17.146: icmp_req=1 ttl=51 time=43.1 ms
64 bytes from 192.119.17.146: icmp_req=2 ttl=51 time=42.7 ms
64 bytes from 192.119.17.146: icmp_req=3 ttl=51 time=41.8 ms
64 bytes from 192.119.17.146: icmp_req=4 ttl=51 time=42.0 ms
64 bytes from 192.119.17.146: icmp_req=5 ttl=51 time=42.9 ms
64 bytes from 192.119.17.146: icmp_req=6 ttl=51 time=43.3 ms
^C
--- 192.119.17.146 ping statistics ---
6 packets transmitted, 6 received, 0% packet loss, time 5007ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 41.846/42.688/43.384/0.598 ms
jon@slackmac64:~$

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and just for fun here's a traceroute for the first ip:
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jon@slackmac64:~$ traceroute 173.167.58.141
traceroute to 173.167.58.141 (173.167.58.141), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
1 TEW-711BR (192.168.2.1) 0.870 ms 1.250 ms 1.695 ms
2 cpe-75-87-144-1.kc.res.rr.com (75.87.144.1) 52.038 ms 52.210 ms 52.408 ms
3 65.28.16.242 (65.28.16.242) 32.780 ms 33.059 ms 38.853 ms
4 tge0-10-0-3.ksczmogn01r.kc.rr.com (98.156.43.50) 42.510 ms 45.962 ms 46.064 ms
5 ae30.dllatxl3-cr01.kc.rr.com (98.156.42.0) 60.478 ms 60.651 ms 60.836 ms
6 107.14.17.136 (107.14.17.136) 61.099 ms 41.953 ms 42.025 ms
7 107.14.19.97 (107.14.19.97) 40.050 ms * 38.066 ms
8 50-248-118-169-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (50.248.118.169) 42.036 ms 38.641 ms 38.312 ms
9 pos-2-4-0-0-cr01.dallas.tx.ibone.comcast.net (68.86.87.217) 52.415 ms 26.385 ms 23.622 ms
10 he-0-13-0-0-cr01.losangeles.ca.ibone.comcast.net (68.86.85.145) 65.275 ms 73.126 ms 77.143 ms
11 he-2-11-0-0-cr01.sanjose.ca.ibone.comcast.net (68.86.89.213) 92.825 ms 92.996 ms 93.177 ms
12 be-11-pe02.11greatoaks.ca.ibone.comcast.net (68.86.82.86) 103.290 ms * *
jon@slackmac64:~$
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Re: Do you have or plan to get Google Fiber?

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Thanks much. Just to confirm, you are not using WiFi right? Computer is hardwired to router?

Here is Google Fiber in comparison, and I have many things active on network...
ping 173.167.58.141 (KC to San Jose)
PING 173.167.58.141 (173.167.58.141) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 173.167.58.141: icmp_seq=1 ttl=248 time=51.0 ms
64 bytes from 173.167.58.141: icmp_seq=2 ttl=248 time=51.0 ms

ping 184.105.222.161 (KC to LA)
PING 184.105.222.161 (184.105.222.161) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 184.105.222.161: icmp_seq=1 ttl=55 time=43.1 ms
64 bytes from 184.105.222.161: icmp_seq=2 ttl=55 time=43.0 ms

ping 154.54.80.86 (KC to NYC)
PING 154.54.80.86 (154.54.80.86) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 154.54.80.86: icmp_seq=1 ttl=244 time=33.4 ms
64 bytes from 154.54.80.86: icmp_seq=2 ttl=244 time=32.8 ms

ping 192.119.17.146 (KC to KC)
PING 192.119.17.146 (192.119.17.146) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 192.119.17.146: icmp_seq=1 ttl=62 time=1.48 ms
64 bytes from 192.119.17.146: icmp_seq=2 ttl=62 time=1.46 ms

traceroute 173.167.58.141
traceroute to 173.167.58.141 (173.167.58.141), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
1 networkbox.home (192.168.1.1) 0.450 ms 0.385 ms 0.346 ms
2 xx.xx.xx.xx (xx.xx.xx.xx) 1.950 ms 2.027 ms 1.996 ms
3 ae11.bng01.mci124.googlefiber.net (192.119.17.146) 1.963 ms 1.931 ms 2.266 ms
4 ae7.ar01.mci102.googlefiber.net (192.119.17.68) 2.233 ms 2.199 ms 2.538 ms
5 xe-0-0-2.ar01.den101.googlefiber.net (192.119.17.14) 13.332 ms 13.299 ms 13.796 ms
6 ae0.ar01.den101.googlefiber.net (192.119.17.12) 51.060 ms 46.849 ms 46.805 ms
7 ae3.ar01.sjc101.googlefiber.net (192.119.17.149) 38.566 ms 38.468 ms 38.407 ms
8 te-0-4-0-7-pe02.11greatoaks.ca.ibone.comcast.net (173.167.58.141) 39.202 ms 39.163 ms 39.124 ms
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Re: Do you have or plan to get Google Fiber?

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ISP: K-State. Just throwing these out there since they seem to be comparable/better than those Time Warner ones.

Pinging 173.167.58.141 with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 173.167.58.141: bytes=32 time=73ms TTL=238
Reply from 173.167.58.141: bytes=32 time=72ms TTL=238
Reply from 173.167.58.141: bytes=32 time=73ms TTL=238
Reply from 173.167.58.141: bytes=32 time=72ms TTL=238

Pinging 184.105.222.161 with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 184.105.222.161: bytes=32 time=90ms TTL=56
Reply from 184.105.222.161: bytes=32 time=69ms TTL=56
Reply from 184.105.222.161: bytes=32 time=68ms TTL=56
Reply from 184.105.222.161: bytes=32 time=67ms TTL=56

Pinging 154.54.80.86 with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 154.54.80.86: bytes=32 time=35ms TTL=245
Reply from 154.54.80.86: bytes=32 time=35ms TTL=245
Reply from 154.54.80.86: bytes=32 time=38ms TTL=245
Reply from 154.54.80.86: bytes=32 time=35ms TTL=245

Pinging 192.119.17.146 with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 192.119.17.146: bytes=32 time=5ms TTL=57
Reply from 192.119.17.146: bytes=32 time=4ms TTL=57
Reply from 192.119.17.146: bytes=32 time=4ms TTL=57
Reply from 192.119.17.146: bytes=32 time=4ms TTL=57


1 <1 ms 1 ms 7 ms xxx.xxx.xx.x
2 * * * Request timed out.
3 1 ms 1 ms <1 ms kanren-ksu-pplant-border.peer.net.kanren.net [164.113.212.5]
4 3 ms <1 ms 1 ms bb-ksu-hale-e2-1.bb.net.kanren.net [164.113.193.22]
5 5 ms 3 ms 12 ms bb-kc-walnut-e2-4.bb.net.kanren.net [164.113.193.53]
6 16 ms 14 ms 15 ms xe-4-3-0.505.chic0.tr-cps.internet2.edu [64.57.21.201]
7 * * * Request timed out.
8 36 ms 35 ms 35 ms he-2-1-0-0-cr01.350ecermak.il.ibone.comcast.net[68.86.86.37]
9 46 ms 43 ms 43 ms he-1-12-0-0-cr01.denver.co.ibone.comcast.net [68.86.85.250]
10 45 ms 43 ms 43 ms he-0-3-0-0-cr01.denverqwest.co.ibone.comcast.net [68.86.89.34]
11 72 ms 70 ms 72 ms he-4-15-0-0-cr01.sanjose.ca.ibone.comcast.net [68.86.89.137]
12 72 ms 72 ms 73 ms te-0-4-0-7-pe02.11greatoaks.ca.ibone.comcast.net [173.167.58.141]

Trace complete.
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Thanks, interesting to see. Would like to see AT&T, Comcast, Centurylink and Surewest. Be sure not use Wifi, use hardwired cable.
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