Kansas, Missouri battle over companies

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Re: Kansas, Missouri battle over companies

Post by kboish » Wed Oct 25, 2017 2:37 pm

MO side of KC region has been dominating job growth the past year or two.
From September 2015 to September 2017, 78 percent of the metro’s employment growth was in Missouri. (This data is not seasonally adjusted so we need to use consistent months when calculating change to remove seasonal factors).

This local shift correlates with some significant changes at the state level. The chart below shows that statewide, Missouri and Kansas had similar annual employment growth from 2012 to 2014, with both adding somewhere between 15,000 and 25,000 new jobs a year. This was impressive for Kansas, given that it has less than half of Missouri’s total population. Missouri employment started to spike in 2015, while Kansas saw employment growth begin to slow. Missouri has been adding about 50,000 new jobs a year lately while employment change has actually turned negative in Kansas.
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Source: Bureau of Labor Statistics (CES)- as posted on http://www.kceconomy.org

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Re: Kansas, Missouri battle over companies

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viewtopic.php?f=15&t=20230&p=560732&hil ... Re#p560732
More people shouldn’t listen to me! Called this a year ago.

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Re: Kansas, Missouri battle over companies

Post by KCMOJoe89 » Wed Oct 25, 2017 8:00 pm

kboish wrote:MO side of KC region has been dominating job growth the past year or two.
From September 2015 to September 2017, 78 percent of the metro’s employment growth was in Missouri. (This data is not seasonally adjusted so we need to use consistent months when calculating change to remove seasonal factors).

This local shift correlates with some significant changes at the state level. The chart below shows that statewide, Missouri and Kansas had similar annual employment growth from 2012 to 2014, with both adding somewhere between 15,000 and 25,000 new jobs a year. This was impressive for Kansas, given that it has less than half of Missouri’s total population. Missouri employment started to spike in 2015, while Kansas saw employment growth begin to slow. Missouri has been adding about 50,000 new jobs a year lately while employment change has actually turned negative in Kansas.
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Source: Bureau of Labor Statistics (CES)- as posted on http://www.kceconomy.org
Does this mean the state of Kansas will finally agree to an incentive "cease fire", or will Missouri be the unwilling party if the metro's principal city is the beneficiary?

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Re: Kansas, Missouri battle over companies

Post by kboish » Wed Oct 25, 2017 8:56 pm

Kansas has refused all past offers of cease fire. Even during the time period where they were not the metro leader in job creation.

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Re: Kansas, Missouri battle over companies

Post by beautyfromashes » Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:20 pm

They won’t ‘cease fire’ until they are being beaten badly and it’s in their best interest to call for it. Of course, I trust them so little that I wouldn’t be surprised if they would break the agreement at the first chance to steal a large company.

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Re: Kansas, Missouri battle over companies

Post by kboish » Wed Oct 25, 2017 10:30 pm

Johnson County is one of the only areas of growth for the state of KS. The state will do anything to keep JoCo growing.

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Re: Kansas, Missouri battle over companies

Post by Highlander » Wed Feb 07, 2018 10:37 pm

Kansas scores a victory in the border war that, apparently, isn't over. One of the few they have had lately.

http://www.kansascity.com/news/politics ... 72644.html

Instead of offering this company a fortune to move a few blocks (literally), they should have been talking with Procter and Gamble

http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/ar ... 88184.html

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Re: Kansas, Missouri battle over companies

Post by flyingember » Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:13 pm

http://www.kansascity.com/news/business ... 23009.html

company that closed in Riverside in the past to open a different business in Blue Springs

Faurecia Interior

300 jobs

no incentives mentioned either way

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Re: Kansas, Missouri battle over companies

Post by empires228 » Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:47 am

kboish wrote:Johnson County is one of the only areas of growth for the state of KS. The state will do anything to keep JoCo growing.
At this point its practically the only. Lawrence and Manhattan have posted pretty nasty job loses since last fall, and everything Lawrence tries to subsidize either closes or never shows up like the Menards plant they were supposed to get. There was no chance of the state keeping Proctor and Gamble. The plant was old and they wanted a new one in a state with cheaper labor, a tax break, and less harsh environmental regulations. Topeka has also reported a population loss and it's not like Hays, Hutchinson, Salina, Pittsburg, and Emporia are doing much for the states economy. Hays at this point is pretty much solely relying on the college and hospital. The state has thrown bones to Wichita on several occasions just to have incidents like the Boeing disaster (take the incentives and run) happen every time. Wichita employers seem to be reluctant to work with the universities there and constantly complain that they can't attract a workforce when in reality there is no reason they shouldn't be able to train one with three colleges in the city, a tech school, and three community colleges and two private colleges within an hour of the city. With WSU. WTI, Newman, Friends, Hutchinson Community College, Butler Community College, Southwestern College, Cowley County Community College, Bethel University, Sterling College, Bethany, McPherson College, McPherson Christian College, KSU Salina, Kansas Wesleyan, and Heston College all right there, they have no room to complain. I've heard the same about KC and they're in the same situation with easy access to KU, MU, UMKC, Missouri Western, Washburn...

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Re: Kansas, Missouri battle over companies

Post by brewcrew1000 » Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:54 pm

Isn't some of the areas in the SW part of the state seeing growth among the Hispanic Communities. Like Garden City/Dodge City area.

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Re: Kansas, Missouri battle over companies

Post by flyingember » Mon Feb 19, 2018 2:40 pm

brewcrew1000 wrote:Isn't some of the areas in the SW part of the state seeing growth among the Hispanic Communities. Like Garden City/Dodge City area.
Not just growth, some areas hispanics are already the majority of the county.

Seward County (Liberal) is 60% hispanic, 30% white. That's well beyond growth and into clear majority
https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/ ... /PST045216

Kansas as a whole is around 11% hispanic but it's over 17% of births and 17% of school enrollment. That's a little over 1 in 6 students in the state.

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Re: Kansas, Missouri battle over companies

Post by Highlander » Mon Feb 19, 2018 6:29 pm

brewcrew1000 wrote:Isn't some of the areas in the SW part of the state seeing growth among the Hispanic Communities. Like Garden City/Dodge City area.
Yes, that's largely related to the spread of corporate agricultural practices such as pig farming (especially pig farming in Kansas) that are relatively labor intensive but offer low paying jobs. Kansas counties can now vote to ban corporate pig farming - it will be interesting to see how many will. We just saw Tyson back off plans to go into what is nearly exurban KC (Tonganoxie - due to local opposition).

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Re: Kansas, Missouri battle over companies

Post by empires228 » Mon Mar 05, 2018 11:44 am

brewcrew1000 wrote:Isn't some of the areas in the SW part of the state seeing growth among the Hispanic Communities. Like Garden City/Dodge City area.

Dodge City has reported population gain. Liberal has lost some minor employers in recent years, so we will see. The census admitted that they missed up in Garden City/Finney County in 2010 during an appeals process (Salina appealed two because both sets of data came back with gaping holes in older and denser parts of town), but we won’t know until 2020. The population loss never made sense with how many residential properties and apartment units went up after the 2000 Census. Home and rental prices in Garden and Dodge are inflated because not a lot was built post 2003 until 2012-2013 outside of a few infill properties and properties at the country club. Ford County’s growth has been pretty restricted to Dodge, but Cimarron in Gray has seen some growth thanks to its proximity. Finney County has two suburbs of GC in Holcomb and Southwind that have held their own. Most of the counties major employers are close to it in Holcomb, which doesn’t resemble the town in In Cold Blood in the least these days.

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Re: Kansas, Missouri battle over companies

Post by missingkc » Mon Mar 05, 2018 6:59 pm

Who else remembers when Johnson County regularly attracted new back office operations? That would be the '80s and '90s. Did they just stop trying because poaching from KCMO is easier? Or did JC lose its mojo at a national level?

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Ironic

Post by Highlander » Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:25 pm

http://www.kansascity.com/news/business ... 51744.html

I just do not see the point of Lenexa and OP trying to out incentive each other but, hey, KC should take advantage and divide and conquer.

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Re: Kansas, Missouri battle over companies

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Re: Kansas, Missouri battle over companies

Post by flyingember » Fri Jul 13, 2018 2:45 pm

In good news, three recent announcements had nothing to do with the border war and added nearly 1000 jobs to the metro between them

https://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/ ... enexa.html
Geico- 500 jobs over 5 years in Lenexa

https://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/ ... -jobs.html
Trialcard- 225 jobs into northland. Locating right at the I-29, I-35 split

https://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/ ... ummit.html
EXL Services- 250 jobs in Lee's Summit up from 85

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Re: Kansas, Missouri battle over companies

Post by flyingember » Fri Jul 13, 2018 8:02 pm

Another not border war move

Lee’s Summit to Independence

Grow from 11 to 85-135

https://www.kansascity.com/news/busines ... 37310.html

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Re: Kansas, Missouri battle over companies

Post by Highlander » Fri Jul 13, 2018 10:00 pm

flyingember wrote:Another not border war move

Lee’s Summit to Independence

Grow from 11 to 85-135

https://www.kansascity.com/news/busines ... 37310.html
Makes sense. Kansas burbs have been going at it for some time now. What a way for government to spend money.

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Re: Kansas, Missouri battle over companies

Post by brewcrew1000 » Fri Aug 17, 2018 9:56 pm

This would be a nice get and it would be great if Kansas and Missouri could work on this together. Most of these positions are PHD level type jobs.
Wonder if USDA lobbying companies would set up offices in the new location as well.

https://www.kansascity.com/news/busines ... 94635.html

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